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At 3:19pm on June 16, 2021, Alex Wise said…

Keep in mind white guys doing a cold approach open with a blank slate. For Asian guys she's already assumed all sorts of things about you before you even open your mouth - and they're all negative. If white guys start with a baseline threshold of 0, for Asian guys it's in the negatives. Your goal is to get to 0. ASAP.


Also, way too many Asian guys have nasal voices with gay-sounding inflections. Stop that. An Asian guy with a deep, masculine baritone could even be sexy.


No bowl cuts.


And all the advice above is void if you've got an Asian accent. Accents are the biggest game-killer. Even Asian-American girls won't hook up with an Asian guy with an accent. Stick to FOBs.


Also helps if you have white friends and white hobbies. A Korean buddy of mine's hooked up with a few white girls - he's got a deep surfer dude voice, no accent, conventional "white suburban dude" interests (plays guitar, into rock music like Oasis and the Beatles, hobbies like fishing, skiing etc.) Basically a banana - white dude in yellow skin. Guys like this with game shouldn't have problems with white girls.

At 3:37pm on June 3, 2021, Alex Wise said…

Supernatural August 28, 2008 at 2:12 pm


rick October 3, 2008 at 4:08 pm

no brent smith? what?!


Bengall October 23, 2008 at 2:58 am

You shouldn’t have put Mehow on the list,he doesn’t deserve to be on the PUA list.Apparently Mehow is not even straight.


sangos October 27, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Nice blog teeming with master PUAs…thanx to Matt.



Cj. Apis October 28, 2008 at 9:59 am


A decent list you got here. But you forgot to put my Friend Derek (Seduction Science).



the Pacific’s Rake

At 3:37pm on June 3, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:37pm on June 3, 2021, Alex Wise said…

Don May 11, 2008 at 10:33 am

Hey Guys,

Awesome list!!

I want want to get in the game. i want to pick one of the best and follow him first to build a back bone. who would you suggest?


Thank you


Rafael Ferraço May 16, 2008 at 7:48 pm

This is one s*** list.


Solo May 30, 2008 at 12:47 pm

How about Carlos Xuma he should be on the list too :(


torres June 16, 2008 at 10:07 am

solid list. these are some of the best in the business.


but where is AFC Adam Lyons?? some of the guys on there are more business men than PUAs. if you dont know adam lyons, google him. that guy is sick.


Matt Savage June 17, 2008 at 2:26 pm

At 3:36pm on June 3, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:36pm on June 3, 2021, Alex Wise said…

the pickup artist October 13, 2007 at 4:37 am

what about man name speer?

here is a video of him you can find more on you tube…


Kobe Bryant October 14, 2007 at 3:57 pm

I like Style, Asian Playboy, Juggler and Brad P. those guys are the greatest of all time. I like Mystery too he’s pretty kewl.


Shaq October 16, 2007 at 2:35 am

Great list!


Would like everyone to also remember Franco, a truly insightful PUA.


Matt Savage October 16, 2007 at 8:10 am



I’ve read some of Johnny Soporno’s stuff on the message boards. It’s definitely solid. He is a Stylelife coach isn’t he?


The Pick Up Artist,


tho i still didnt buy any of his products!!!! haha


At 3:45pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:45pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

So, what’s going on? I asked Jim, one of the guys I see at the gym.

I don’t know know him too well, but he’s often been on the treadmill or the elliptical machine at the same time I have. So, we have a casual friendship. We talk about his work, his wife, Laura, and their two girls, and I talk my work, The Kid and Sean.

This weekend, Jim looked more ragged than what a long week and a hard workout would do to you.

“I’m not quite sure,” he said.

“What do you mean?”

“It’s Laura. She told me that she needs
some space.”

My right foot flew off the stationary bike.

“Oh,” I said, trying hard to sound neutral.

“What do you think that means?”

Oh dear. Well, I know what it means, but I’m
not sure he really wanted to hear the truth.

At 3:44pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:44pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

I have never hit a woman and never would. I was raised to protect women and any sign of a man getting physical with his woman in front of me will cause me to react.

I do not believe in violence unless it is absolutely necessary to protect yourself or someone else….and teach my children the same principals.

At 3:44pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:44pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

I don’t think men would be embarrassed by spousal abuse as there is the cultural chastisement from child hood “What? You are going to hit a girl?”.

Then again I’ve never been hit by a woman outside of my childhood or a karate class.

The comments I read here made me think that Kat is right that guys should speak up as they could end up holding the financial and legal bag.

For example, a small, maladjusted/violent spouse hits a man many times, he hits her once to stop it, she gets a mark, she goes to the police, she lies, the police/courts automatically take her side, etc.

At 3:44pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:43pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

Jim — I am sorry to hear that, and I am sorry you felt ashamed. My title, BTW, is me being facetious — hope you realize that. No one “deserves” to be abused.

KC — well, that sucks. I do put people who live with mental illness in a different category, though. None of us who don’t have bipolar or depression or ADD — the whole lot — can know what it’s like. I tend to have compassion. Still, if the person isn’t take care of it through whatever means — therapy, drugs, both — then that’s different. Can’t live with your head in the sand.

T — That was smart of you. I did that; the smack was at the exact moment of recognition of reality. The aftermath was sad and painful, but nonviolent.

SF — It’s good to know that if the cops are called, a report is filed. However, if a man (or woman) doesn’t report it — and many men, at least, don’t — then there’s nothing.

Dads — so, are you excusing her for her “long history”? I hope not. I know patterns are extremely hard to break. But to continue a pattern of abuse or alcoholism and have that be OK is, well, not OK.

Brian — Couldn’t agree more: When you engage in physical violence, you cross a line that once crossed, can’t be stepped back on. Period.

Steve — Exactly — there is a double standard (did you click on the YouTube link?) Until we, as a society, talk about that openly, it will continue.

At 3:43pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:43pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

At the same time, if it’s a full blown bonk that you are after, fine, go for it, but girls, don’t feel bad or blame anyone if it doesn’t go further than that. Tell yourself the truth about what you want. Unless you are drugged or forcibly raped, it’s your decision. Guys, if you are just out for sex, please don’t tell lies in order to get it. You can learn to make women feel so good that, if its right for them, they will want to do it with you.

The key is that we are all responsible for our own feelings around what we do. We can choose to feel good or bad, embarrassed or accepting.

At 3:42pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:42pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

Ladies, remember to tell yourself the truth. So many women I know want to attract a man, but are unwilling to go through what they consider the demeaning ritual of displaying their desire. They expect men to pick up on their signals of readiness, whilst they are working full time to disguise them. Often this leads to flirting with the wrong men. One of the Flirting Weekend participants, Linda, confessed to me this pattern was so strong in her that she ended up marrying the wrong man!

It is possible to show a man that you are interested without full sexual readiness display.

At 3:42pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…
At 3:42pm on May 6, 2021, Alex Wise said…

We all associate highly emotional and individualised charge to different words and despite being the universal building blocks of our language, each word will holds very specific meaning or meanings for each individual. As an example take any word and ask a friend what it means to them. Chances are it could have some very different associations.

Language can be used in many ways to guide people to specific experiences without being specific. It’s an art form, it works and it can be taught but until you master the skills of linguistic experience generators be very careful about what you say. When you think it, it will probably leak out naturally and you will be communicating at an unconscious primal level with honesty.

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