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Hi all
The Americans and the Europeans are also doing the debate.. Why should we Africans Ignore it
Watch on the debate
Is God History ?
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaceOff/
Dear Jimoh..
Sorry but I don't believe in any god that make love to another man's wife. ()
God chose for the mother of his Son a daughter of Israel, a young Jewish woman of Nazareth in Galilee, "a virgin “betrothed” to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary":
I think betrothed here means married .. Betrothal was binding as marriage and a divorce was necessary to terminate a betrothal
Then why in Gods’ name sorry.. why in gods name did the holy spirit made love to another man’s wife? In the first place ? is that not Adultery?
This is just a small logic..
The idea of a virgin giving birth existed thousands of years before the birth of Christ..
Ancient pagans who worshipped Cybele held a ritual for Attis, her consort of virgin birth believed to die and be reborn at this time during the spring. These rites were brought to Rome about 204 BCE, predating Christian worship by about 250 years.
The simple fact is that the New Testament, as we know it, is a helter-skelter accumulation of more or less discordant documents, some of them probably of respectable origin but others palpably apocryphal, and that most of them, the good along with the bad, show unmistakable signs of having been tampered with.
What is sad about the whole story is this.. I work with some of the Europeans, who brought us this Religion. They (the so called European Elite) have a different attitude towards religion. Recently in Rome (The so called founding ground of modern Christianity), Religions Relic was banned in public schools.
Separation of State and Religion.
The same thing is applicable in the United States of America.
I believe the so called religions masters are taking advantage of the
poor helpless uneducated masses (draining them from their hard earned wages)
You told me to look around .. I did and do you know what I saw..?
Have a look at the attached picture.. Some of the people behind this machine (are not practicing Christians or Moslems )
But right now as you are reading this article you are enjoying the fruit of their labor
Please wake up and re-think.. . If all Nigerians spend the same amount of time we spend praying to an unforeseen god, and focus on how to improve our living condition.. Nigeria should be a better place to live.
As the saying goes …”God help those who help them self”
Before I leave you for today..
Just another piece George Carlin
“Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors.
'Do this'
'Gimme that'
'I want a new car'
'I want a better job'.
And most of this praying takes place on Sunday.
And I say fine,
pray for anything you want.
Pray for anything.
But...what about the divine plan?
Remember that?
The divine plan.
Long time ago god made a divine plan.
Gave it a lot of thought.
Decided it was a good plan.
Put it into practice.
And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine.
Now you come along and pray for something.
Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan.
What do you want him to do?
Change his plan?
Just for you?
Doesn't it seem a little arrogant?
It's a divine plan.
What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and f**k up your plan?
And here's something else, another problem you might have;
suppose your prayers aren't answered.
What do you say?
'Well it's god's will.
God's will be done.
' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway;
why the f**k bother praying in the first place?
Seems like a big waste of time to me.
Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will?
[George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]”
The likes of the defenders of this topic are the reasons things are going upside down in this nation . Trying to make truth a lie and vise vassa. they should remember that all terrorism are islam but not all islam are terrorist THIS IS ONLY WHAT I CAN TAKE FROM THEM. Just watch out the statement of the jodanian sucide bomber that kill seven cia officers and wounded 6 others in afganistan. " We planned for something but got a bigger gift, a gift from Alla, who brought us, through his accompaniment, a valuable prey: Americans, and from the CIA," al-Balawi said. "That's when I became certain that the best way to teach Jordanian intelligence and the CIA a lesson is with the martyrdom belt." THE DEATH OF THE CIA OFFICERS TO THEM IS A GIFT FROM ALLA. They are simply degenerated people who are more ignorant than one can really imagine.
"A fool says there's no God".
Edwin Aka said:Hi all
The Americans and the Europeans are also doing the debate.. Why should we Africans Ignore it Watch on the debate
Is God History ?
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaceOff/
@Prince
That was the favorite quotes from you Pastor .. when he needs you to donate more money
Brothers and Sisters, why do we engage ourselves in needless arguement over religion. What we need are those things that will unite us as human being. Islam never permit the killing of non muslims not to talk of women,children or the aged. What we have is political thugs that claim to be religious.The likes of Idiamin,Charles Taylor and others are just vagabonds that were fortunate be in power. What you have in Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iran, Egypt and even in Saudi Arabia are not true representation of Islam. You may call it any name, a typical Islam as practiced by Holy Prophet(sw) was an embodiment of peace. Islam isfrom root word Salaam-Peace or Salem. Please visit these sites for more clarificationd....alislam.org,loveforallhatredfornone.org or any local Ahmadiyya Mosque. I will never be part of any name calling in the name of religion.Jesus,Moses,Noah,et all(may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them) are considered prophets of Islam. So, all these arguement are based on sentiments because we are connected in one way or the other to our respective religions either by birth or by conversion. Dont be surprise that most of us arguing here except few of us has deem it fit to look into other peoples book be it bible, Qur'an,and other books. As a muslim, I believe in Jesus, Moses and othe past prophets. I also have firm faith in their holy books. You will be surprise as well that a part of the Holy Qur'an was named after Mary, Jesus Mother. So, why not look at the positive things that will unite us instead of this confussion. Why cant we borrow a leave from our sisters in U.K Jamaat of Ahmadiyya as presented below. Enjoy
[AhmadiFriends.com] UK Peace Symposium in Lankan Media
/2010/ 03/26/inaugural- ahmadiyya- muslim-peace- prize-awarded- to-lord-eric- avebury/
www.lankaweb. com – 27.03.2010.
INAUGURAL AHMADIYYA MUSLIM PEACE PRIZE AWARDED TO LORD ERIC AVEBURY
Posted on March 26th, 2010
AHMADIYYA MUSLIM JAMAAT PEACE SYMPOSIUM 2010 – REPORT
By A. Abdul Aziz,
Press Secretary, Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at, Sri Lanka .
The Head of the World-wide Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, spoke at length about how to achieve global peace whilst delivering the keynote address at the seventh Annual Peace Conference hosted by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at UK at the Bait-ul-Futuh Mosque in Morden, held recently. The event was attended by over 550 non-Ahmadi guests, including a number of Parliamentarians. During the event Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad presented Lord Eric Avebury with the inaugural Ahmadiyya Peace Prize in recognition his continued efforts to protect human rights across the world.
Rafiq Hayat, the National President of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at in the UK , opened the event by welcoming the guests. He said that under the leadership of Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was leading the way in terms of service to humanity. He said that hundreds of schools, colleges and hospitals were run by the Jamaat in remote towns and villages across Africa where education or medical treatment is provided regardless of creed or colour.
Siobhain McDonagh, MP for Mitcham and Morden, spoke of how despite differences of faith, all humans were joined by a desire for happiness, equality and respect. These values, she said, were clearly asserted by the Holy Qur’an.
The Shadow Minister for Transport, Stephen Hammond MP, commented that much of the conflict in the world was based upon ‘easy misunderstandings’ and that functions such as the Peace Conference were a means to remove such misconceptions and distrust.
Laura Moffatt, MP for Crawley , said that she believed that ‘there cannot be a single soul who does not support the work of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community’. She added that she hoped that an Ahmadiyya mosque would soon be opened in her constituency.
The Shadow Minister for Communities and Local Government, Justine Greening MP, remarked that for peace to develop ‘understanding, tolerance and respect’ were the key factors. She said the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (Jama’at) was actively engaged in ‘breaking down barriers’.
Tom Cox, an MP from 1970-2005, spoke of the ongoing persecution of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Pakistan . He said that he had recently visited the country and had seen at first hand the cruelty inflicted upon Ahmadi Muslims. He said that some had been brutally murdered, whilst others were imprisoned for years without recourse to proper means of justice. He said he was struck by the fact that despite the ongoing cruelty all the Ahmadi Muslims continued to repeat the motto ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’.
Martin Linton, MP for Battersea, said that he was a ‘great admirer’ of Islam and in particular the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. He said the Community displayed a great example of tolerance and respect for all.
Tom Brake, MP for Carshalton and Wallington, said that the Ahmadiyya Community’s message of peace needed to be heard around the world. He added that he was sure that all of the major political parties would try their utmost to bring about an end to the persecution of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
Andrew Pelling, MP for Central Croydon, said that it was crucially important to understand the need and importance of world peace and that he hoped that the cruelties inflicted upon Ahmadis and Christians in Pakistan would soon end.
Dominic Grieve QC, the Shadow Secretary of State for Justice, said he was aware that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at was doing a great deal at local levels to bring about peace and tolerance.
Following on from the MPs speeches, the inaugural Ahmadiyya Peace Prize was presented to Lord Eric Avebury, in recognition for his lifetime devotion to the issue of human rights. The award, along with a cheque for £10,000, was presented by Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad. Upon receiving the award Lord Avebury said that he had been left ‘overwhelmed’ by the honour. Commenting upon the Ahmadiyya motto of ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’ he said that if others lived their lives according to that principle there would be much less conflict in the world. He condemned the long standing persecution of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in various countries and said that this was an issue on which all British politicians were united.
The keynote address by Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, the Fifth Khalifa (Caliph), of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at (Community) began at 8.25pm. During his forty minute speech His Holiness discussed the major obstacles impeding long lasting peace: the oppression of minority groups; corruption; the failure of governments to take concrete steps to prevent cruelty; the preoccupation of certain groups with interfering with the basic rights of individuals and the constant failure of the United Nations to work as a united organization where all countries were equal.
His Holiness began his address by highlighting the ‘high objective’ which was sought by all. The high objective was peace both at an individual and societal level. He said that over 1400 years ago the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had outlined how true peace could be achieved – by treating others in the same way that you wished for yourself to be treated. His Holiness said that this ‘golden principle’ applied as much today as it ever had before.
He continued that in today’s world the desire for peace was becoming a distant dream. Cruelty and conflict were replacing love and harmony as matters of norm. Western countries bore some responsibility for this sad state of affairs. His Holiness mentioned Ethiopia , a country ravaged by famine and violence. Even though limited aid was sent there from to time, due to corruption the vast majority never reached those innocent men, women and children who were starving. Instead corrupt officials used the wealth for their own personal pleasure or for stockpiling weapons from powerful nations as a means to preserve their own seats of power.
In Palestine , Western Governments had continually turned a blind eye to the attacks of the Israeli forces. He said that even if the Palestinians were not blameless the response of Israelis was wholly disproportionate. If they believed that in the long term their attacks would increase their peace and security they were very much mistaken because hatred would naturally develop in the hearts of the helpless Palestinians. He said:
“Can those innocent children who saw their homes being destroyed; who saw their brothers and sisters being killed without any reason; who saw their helpless parents targeted whilst pleading for their lives; can those innocent children ever erase those horrific scenes from their memories. Their inner frustrations will make them anxious, and when this anxiety is manifest, it will result in disorder and it will lead to a reaction.”
His Holiness then went on to criticize the basic failures of the United Nations and the self serving nature of its more powerful member states. By allowing the five permanent members of the Security Council to maintain a right to veto denied absolutely the requirement for justice and equality.
Another issue that threatened the peace of the world was unnecessary interference of State in the personal matters of an individual. He said that the security role of Government was to legislate on matters that were a threat to the nation. However where the peace of the country was not at risk then the Government had no right to interfere. He said:
“Instead of unnecessarily interfering in the affairs of others and erecting walls of hatred we should look to knock them down. The Governments should not interfere where rights are not being violated. No laws should be proscribed regarding those matters that do not endanger the peace of the nation. Of course, where there is a threat to the peace of the nation; where there is a likelihood of harming the prosperity and progress of the nation; where the rights of citizens are unduly curtailed and where a person is made a symbol of hate due to his religion, there the Governments should interfere and legislate.”
His Holiness then commented on the partial ban on Hijab that is being seriously considered by the French legislature. He said:
“Whenever I have reflected on this matter I have not been able to understand where the problem with Purdah lies that it has become such a threat to Governments. Is it such a heinous crime to wear a coat and cover one’s head and chin with a piece of cloth so that an entire Parliament sits to pass a law against it?”
This particular issue, he said, had the potential to lead to a great deal of distrust and hurt in the Muslim world. Obviously such distrust could only hinder peaceful objectives. Who knew where the situation would end? Would Christian women or Jewish women who chose to dress modestly also be legislated against? Would Muslim countries ban all forms of European dress? Of even greater concern was that if these laws were implemented then women would be denied their basic civil rights such as healthcare, education and the right to travel simply because they were trying to live their lives in accordance with the teachings of Islam. He gave the example of an Ahmadi Muslim girl in Germany who due to the over-zealousness of her local school administration had been forced out of education despite the fact that she was extremely intelligent and hard working. This was but one case where a Muslim girl who could have been of real service to her country was being denied the right to explore and develop her talents.
The issue of minarets on mosques was also an issue that had caused concern and indeed had been banned a few months previously in Switzerland . His Holiness said that if there were concerns that mosques were the breeding grounds for terrorists then removing the minarets would make no difference. Such terrorists would be caught by better policing not by removing the peaceful symbol of a Muslim place of worship. There were so many bigger issues in the world today; people were out of work, the economy was still struggling, people were fighting to put food on the table. These were primary issues that had to be tackled for peace to emerge. His Holiness concluded by observing:
“Will a woman wearing or not wearing a veil affect the economy of any country or the world? Will the wearing or not wearing of a veil or having or not having a minaret affect the moral values of a country or will it lead to a recognition of the Creator? Will the wearing or not wearing of a veil or having or not having a minaret improve or harm the peace of the world? If it does then I will be the first to accept it because Islam teaches that you should be willing to sacrifice something small for the greater good. But no! All these actions are strengthening the foundations of hatred.”
Following the main address the guests enjoyed dinner and then had an opportunity to meet with His Holiness. Many of the guests commented upon the high quality of his address and others sought his prayers.
The event concluded as His Holiness met with assembled members of the Press and Media. Discussions took place regarding various matters, particularly the political and social instability currently engulfing Pakistan .
(The Proceedings of the program will be telecast on MTA (Muslim TV Ahmadiyya International – Freq: ASIASAT 3 – 3760 MGh – 100.50 EAST) on Saturday the 27th March 25, 2010 at 1.30 p.m., 8.20 p.m. and on Sunday the 28th March at 4.30 p.m. local time.)
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ONYE IGBO KA M BU said:The likes of the defenders of this topic are the reasons things are going upside down in this nation . Trying to make truth a lie and vise vassa. they should remember that all terrorism are islam but not all islam are terrorist THIS IS ONLY WHAT I CAN TAKE FROM THEM. Just watch out the statement of the jodanian sucide bomber that kill seven cia officers and wounded 6 others in afganistan. " We planned for something but got a bigger gift, a gift from Alla, who brought us, through his accompaniment, a valuable prey: Americans, and from the CIA," al-Balawi said. "That's when I became certain that the best way to teach Jordanian intelligence and the CIA a lesson is with the martyrdom belt." THE DEATH OF THE CIA OFFICERS TO THEM IS A GIFT FROM ALLA. They are simply degenerated people who are more ignorant than one can really imagine.
"A fool says there's no God".
Edwin Aka said:Hi all
The Americans and the Europeans are also doing the debate.. Why should we Africans Ignore it
Watch on the debate
Is God History ?
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaceOff/
May God have mercy on your soul son.
Edwin Aka said:@Prince
That was the favorite quotes from you Pastor .. when he needs you to donate more money
@Prince..
This is for you "Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian"
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
The Prince said:May God have mercy on your soul son.
Edwin Aka said:@Prince
That was the favorite quotes from you Pastor .. when he needs you to donate more money
@Prince..
This is for you
"Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian"
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
The Prince said:May God have mercy on your soul son.
Edwin Aka said:@Prince
That was the favorite quotes from you Pastor .. when he needs you to donate more money
I WILL WANT US TO BEWARE OF IMPOSTORS AND THOSE WHO ARE STARK ILLITERATE YET WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE CREDIT TO THEM FOR PEOPLE WORKS:THE SOCALLED 'EUROPEAN WORKER' AND EDWIN AKA HAS SHOWN THE MANNER WHICH SOME DUBIOUS POLITICIANS IN NIGERIA REAP WHERE THEY DONT SOW...U COPIED AND PASTED SOMEONE TEXTS TO GAIN WHAT?ATTENTION OR DISTRACTION?I TOLD U,U ARE STILL A BABY?AND I HAD VOWED TO IGNORE U BUT IS QUITE IN ORDER TO ALSO SHAME U MORE ON UR KNOWLEDGE DEFICIENCY. U TOOK THE TEXT BELOW FROM http://www.evilbible.com/Top_Ten_List.htm AND WHAT PURPOSE DO U WANT TO ACHIEVE? U LACK WHAT TO SAY AND NOW U GO HELTER SKELTER TO PROOF A POINT COPYING BOTH BAND WEBSITES AND UNACCREDITED BLOG TEXTS,BUT SORRY THOUSANDS OF US ARE INTO RESEARCH AND WE CAN TELL U THE AUTHENTICITY AND THE FALSEHOOD OF SUCH SITES. NO SANE HUMAN BEING WILL TAKE CREDIT FOR WHAT IS NOT HIS,ORLESS THAT PERSON IS A THIEF OR A DEVOURER AND THAT IS WHAT U ARE.
DO URSELF A FAVOUR GO TO NTA AND PERFECT WHAT U BELIEF,THAN RESORTING TO SENDING PEOPLE'S TEXTS TO TAKE THEIR CREDIT.IT IS VERY LAUGHABLE WHEN U CANT ARTICULATE COMMON SENSE ANALYSIS HERE, OUTSIDE IT WILL BE A SUICIDAL MISSION.
AS A CHRISTIAN I WISH U GOOD LUCK,SALVATION IS NT COMPULSION...IT MAY BE A COMPULSION IN SOME RELIGION TO BE PART OF THEM...BUT CHRISTIANITY IS DISCOVERY OF THE PURPOSE OF BEING A CREATURE OF GOD.NO MAN WILL STAND FOR U ON THE LAST DAY,U WILL ACCOUNT FOR WHATEVER U DO HERE ON EARTH...SO KEEP UP IN DELUSION!
GOOD U DIRECTED TO PRINCE BUT VERY BAD U DONT NO U HAVE MADE URSELF A FOOL
Edwin Aka said:@Prince..
This is for you "Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian"
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
The Prince said:May God have mercy on your soul son.
Edwin Aka said:@Prince
That was the favorite quotes from you Pastor .. when he needs you to donate more money
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