MUSLIM BELIEF
Muslim Belief
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in the prison ministry.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially amongst the minority races!!!
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?' There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'
I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'
He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'
The Imam was speechless!
I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me!
Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the Diversification training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President!
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
This is your chance to make a difference...
FOR GODS' SAKE! PLEASE SEND THIS ON!
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in the prison ministry.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially amongst the minority races!!!
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?' There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'
I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'
He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'
I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'
The Imam was speechless!
I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me!
Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the Diversification training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President!
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
This is your chance to make a difference...
FOR GODS' SAKE! PLEASE SEND THIS ON!
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Permalink Reply by TOMORI TAOFIK IDOWU on
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To all who bother to contribute to these topic,thanks alot,.But in any circumstances we found our self,lets knw the best of an issue before contributing.And in anyway lets desist from pointing accusing fingers to our mentors even though u believe not in them.This is in our best interest but Prophet Muhammed(may the peace and blessing of Almighty Allah be with him) is not what u think he is.He is the seal of the prophet,who is sent as a blessing to the whole world.U need not to believe in him but he exist as the noblest of Mankind.
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Fighting in the cause of Alah simply means encouraging wat is good and forbidden wat is wrong.It neva calls for arguement,just keep been in the part u cose.Best of Luck to all
frank osundo said:then where is this from?Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." and why didnt mutallab,boko haram,osama bin landan and many uncountable others take ur book as their tool for actions...STOP DANCING AWILO, WHEN IS OBVIOUS THAT IS DISCO MUSIC THAT PLAYS...CALL FOR REFORM AND STOP DEFENDING WHAT U CANT SUBSTANTIATE
Yinka Jimoh said:Glory be to Allah the lord of the universe the one and only who has made it possible for humans to choose between what is good and what is evil. and for who ever brings anything into the religion that was neither said by Allah or his prophet or those that write things with their hands and later said is from Allah just for a gain, Allah says woe be unto them and unto what they have written. The writer of this comment forget to let us know the name of the Imam and the particular mosque in the US where he is their Imam so that true brothers of Islam in the state can be contacted to ask him where he got is own verse or hadith that permit or authorized the killing of non-Muslims.
Allah says in the holy quran that who ever killing any soul unjustly it is like the person has killed the entire human race and that who ever save a soul is like he has saved the entire human race. If the writer is not familiar with the holy quran he should try to get one and understand the basis of Islam. As he concluded that the Muslims believe that non-Muslim should be killed i wonder how i arrived at that if his meeting of an imam made draw a baseline on the believe of millions of Muslim worldwide i think i will consider it to be another campaign of ignorance about Islam.
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Be mindful of ur comment cos u can make or mar urself.Contribute to wat u knw best not just wat people say.U are responsible 4 ur actions.Thanks
Pedro said:Peace? word of mouth.
here is the truth: ISALAM IS A VIOLENTLY DEADLY RELIGION THE WORLD OVER. YOU ONLY NEED TO SEE THE CONFLICT AROUND THE WORLD TO UNDERSTAND THE WORD "VIOLENTLY DEADLY" I advice everyone to beware of this clearly deadly plague. DEATH TO NONE BELIEVERS, FORCE EVERY INFIDELS TO BECOME ISLAMISTS, MURDERERS, BLOOD SUCCKING PEOPLE. run away from this deadly plague, don't be infected.
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Permalink Reply by Ya'u Daudu Giade on
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Mr. Pedro,
How are u doing, hope all is well with you. I have gone through your contribution on the topic, and i found it necessary to draw your attention that as a believer you need to excise caution no matter your emotion may be on the topic. If you really believe in your religion, you ought to have show restraint and respect for others religion. From all the contributors (muslims), i did not come across anyone that made unprovacative statement against christianity. If you don't know all muslim worldwide believe in Jesus (the son of Mary) as an apostle of Allah. A respect for Jesus is most upon every muslim, and no muslim will ever make uncomplimentary remark against Jesus (peace be upon him).
That is exactly one difference between a muslim and a christian. You need to know what islam is all about please.
TOMORI TAOFIK IDOWU said:Be mindful of ur comment cos u can make or mar urself.Contribute to wat u knw best not just wat people say.U are responsible 4 ur actions.Thanks
Pedro said:Peace? word of mouth.
here is the truth: ISALAM IS A VIOLENTLY DEADLY RELIGION THE WORLD OVER. YOU ONLY NEED TO SEE THE CONFLICT AROUND THE WORLD TO UNDERSTAND THE WORD "VIOLENTLY DEADLY" I advice everyone to beware of this clearly deadly plague. DEATH TO NONE BELIEVERS, FORCE EVERY INFIDELS TO BECOME ISLAMISTS, MURDERERS, BLOOD SUCCKING PEOPLE. run away from this deadly plague, don't be infected.
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Permalink Reply by Ademola Temi on
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I want to comment/reply to Ahmad, Mohammeed Martins et al. I want all of us to understand that, nobody had a choice on the kind of religion to belong!. We were born one day into a particular family already in a particular religion and so brought up in that religion. I am a christian by faith, but most of the people who have shown great kindness to me in life are Muslims. I have wonderful family members who are muslims. I think there is no need to go to the extreme trying to vilify or be vindictive about religion. I strongly believe that God created christianity and islam to be. There is nothing we can do about it. I read it on this site that there is nothing like violence in the quran, same with bible. Let us live so and spread it so. I am from SouthWest Nigeria, where there is hardly any family (extended) where there is no muslim and christian. Even if there is any law like killing non-muslim, it CANNOT prosper with the kind of family collectivism culture in the region. Pls let's spread it round that you cannot help God, God is the creator of heaven and the earth, and everything in it, including religion!. May God help us all.
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Permalink Reply by Douglas Nz on
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Let me ask you some too;
1, Why are all the terrorist muslems?
2, Why are sucide bombers also muslems?
3, Why are the talibans fighting their own govt?
4, Why is the middle east know for war?
As much as I do not like to condem what God have allowed to exist, I will not fail to tell you that the religion Islam has eared itself the tittle TERRORIST. This may not be because the religion is violent, it might be because the leaders are and have mislead the followers. A religion where a leader will ask followers to kill and the followers hit the streets without consideration is not a peacefull one.
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The religion Islam is similar to Jehovah's withness in the sence that they only look out for their brothers.
Researcher said:if you do not ask the right questions, you will not get the right answers. i have some questions and i know the answers will be a guide.
1. why is islam the fastest growing religion not just in America but also in europe?
2. why is islam becoming the most studied religion now in the world?
3. why do more non-muslims talk about islam than even muslims?
4. if islam is so badddd like the media always puts it why do more enlightened people keep accepting it?
5. if muslims do not complain about their dressing such has the use of hijab, why would those who dont wear complain and want a ban on it?
6. muslims did not invent words like 'war', 'violence' 'terrorist' 'extremist' and others, why have they become vocabulary for the muslims?
7. the world wars were fought by non arabs and of course they were not muslims. the united nations is a product of those conflict so what makes war just a muslim thing?
8. if you want to fight others you need an army and a good one at that, just wondering which country has the largest, strongest and most sofsticated army? and why?
9. who realy is afraid of islam?
10. why do we not take time to know this religion they call islam rather than to parrot what somebody somewhere that we dont know is saying?
why and why acn somebody help with the answers
and why did Foreman-Brown Idogho post the story of Rick Mathes? why?
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Permalink Reply by Nura Hamza on
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Peace! I read your article and i realy understand what you mean but i want you to understand what is islam as a religion and who is islamic imam? If realy what you said is true and nothing but the truth than i am telling you that man you asked was not an Imam becouse islam is the religion of peace and teaches nothings than peace. my brother if what you said is not true you just say it to spoil the religion be redasure that the owner of the religion is not sleeping. let reason togerther islam mean total summision to the will of God, so those you heard or seen killing people in the name of islam they are doing it for their selfish interest not for islam go through islamic books and history you will see it. the meaning of Jihad is not about killing people go and read more about islam that is the way interlectual used to do things. my brother all what we need is peace in the nation. there is nothing wrong if you reaseched on something and you have the prove of it there is nothing wrong if you bring such things out. thanks for your understanding
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Permalink Reply by Kolade on
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Douglas,
You just said this about Islam :
"This may not be because the religion is violent, it might be because the leaders are and have mislead the followers. "
Based on your own statement, The recurrent violence attributed to Islam would then be untrue and unfair. Rather, the blame should be on the so called leaders that have misled the followers, according to you. Misleading them shows they are feeding the followers with teachings contrary to what Islam stand for. So, they should be blamed and not Islam.
In a similar manner, if a Christian is found wanting, found of committing atrocities, he should be blame rather than Christianity.
However, looking at another statement of yours from your last comment :
"A religion where a leader will ask followers to kill and the followers hit the streets without consideration is not a peaceful one".
You deviated from your first assertion by condemning the same religion which you've exonerated from violence (you said) caused as a result of leaders misleading the followers.
If you had put the blame on the leaders then it would have been easier to understand you better, based on your first assertion. However, your second statement I have referred to seems to be incoherent with the first one.
I have no intention to fault or abuse your personality. Please don't view it that way. This is a forum for us all, and we should be dealing together like a family and not allow sentiments to overshadow our emotions.
I have seen a lot of these from the way people have been reacting to this "UNITY-DAMAGING" article. Religion is a very sensitive issue and should be treated with maturity. The way some people have reacted show that we all still have a long way to go in understanding messages brought by Jesus, Muhammed and other prophets of God before them.
Douglas, I think you should take a second look at your comment so that others can benefit positively.I have expressed the way I feel about it and of course no one is above mistake. Let me know if you disagree with my view.
Mind you, I am a Muslim and I have a couple of Christian relations and we have always respected each other and live in peace. Also, I am from the South West Nigeria. However I do not believe that has influence on the way I feel about Islam. I have couple of Muslim friends from the Northern part of Nigeria who are worthy of emulation. Likewise there are couple of them from the South east or south south who I have lived with and have exhibited excellent characters.
Finally, religion or better put way of life today whether Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism and others would never preach unjust killing of domestic and wild animals, talk-less of respected human beings.
GOD KNOWS BEST.
Thanks.
Douglas Nz said:Let me ask you some too;
1, Why are all the terrorist muslems?
2, Why are sucide bombers also muslems?
3, Why are the talibans fighting their own govt?
4, Why is the middle east know for war?
As much as I do not like to condem what God have allowed to exist, I will not fail to tell you that the religion Islam has eared itself the tittle TERRORIST. This may not be because the religion is violent, it might be because the leaders are and have mislead the followers. A religion where a leader will ask followers to kill and the followers hit the streets without consideration is not a peacefull one.
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The religion Islam is similar to Jehovah's withness in the sence that they only look out for their brothers.
Researcher said:if you do not ask the right questions, you will not get the right answers. i have some questions and i know the answers will be a guide.
1. why is islam the fastest growing religion not just in America but also in europe?
2. why is islam becoming the most studied religion now in the world?
3. why do more non-muslims talk about islam than even muslims?
4. if islam is so badddd like the media always puts it why do more enlightened people keep accepting it?
5. if muslims do not complain about their dressing such has the use of hijab, why would those who dont wear complain and want a ban on it?
6. muslims did not invent words like 'war', 'violence' 'terrorist' 'extremist' and others, why have they become vocabulary for the muslims?
7. the world wars were fought by non arabs and of course they were not muslims. the united nations is a product of those conflict so what makes war just a muslim thing?
8. if you want to fight others you need an army and a good one at that, just wondering which country has the largest, strongest and most sofsticated army? and why?
9. who realy is afraid of islam?
10. why do we not take time to know this religion they call islam rather than to parrot what somebody somewhere that we dont know is saying?
why and why acn somebody help with the answers
and why did Foreman-Brown Idogho post the story of Rick Mathes? why?
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In all ways, I pray the gud spirit in u neva die and ds by God almighty grace shall lead u true.I am a muslim but my step mum is a christian who have bn wonderful.My family is missed up wit christian and muslim.All we need is just to believe and be sincere with wat we believe in.We cant help anybody but lets all do it right.I realy respect and appreciate you cos u are the only person since i'v bn commenting that sear a fair feeling.
frank osundo said:GOD BLESS U,THAT HAS BEING MY STAND AAND U HAVE BUTTRESSED IT...YORUBA CULTURE IS VERY DYNAMIC AND IT HAS SAVED BLOODBATH..ANY VINDICATION OUTSIDE THIS , MAY NOT MAKE MEANING,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD NOW.
Ademola Temi said:I want to comment/reply to Ahmad, Mohammeed Martins et al. I want all of us to understand that, nobody had a choice on the kind of religion to belong!. We were born one day into a particular family already in a particular religion and so brought up in that religion. I am a christian by faith, but most of the people who have shown great kindness to me in life are Muslims. I have wonderful family members who are muslims. I think there is no need to go to the extreme trying to vilify or be vindictive about religion. I strongly believe that God created christianity and islam to be. There is nothing we can do about it. I read it on this site that there is nothing like violence in the quran, same with bible. Let us live so and spread it so. I am from SouthWest Nigeria, where there is hardly any family (extended) where there is no muslim and christian. Even if there is any law like killing non-muslim, it CANNOT prosper with the kind of family collectivism culture in the region. Pls let's spread it round that you cannot help God, God is the creator of heaven and the earth, and everything in it, including religion!. May God help us all.
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Mr. Idogho,
It seems you purposely brought this matter to create confusion instead of understanding. You can see that most of your followers are using uncomplimentary remarks in the contribution. I believe a topic like this that was brought with sentiment can be still be discuss in a decent manner. The statement in your write-up is not true, there never a place in the Holy Quran that directed muslim to kill non-muslims. The word Jihad is an Arabic word that mean CRUSADE, that is why i said you brought this topic to mork islam as a religion. Allah in the Holy Quran told us that no matter the situation, He will safeguard the religion (Islam). For those that feels people are accepting islam because they marry women from Arab countries is not a bases that one can agree with. Allah said in the Holy Quran "THERE IS NO CONPULSION IN RELIGION". So whosoever you see accepting islam did not accept it under duress, but because of his conviction that islam is a religion of truth. Please go and read the History of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and see how he lives with people of his time. Thank you.
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Hi Mr Frank,
I think by now, you should at least have a second thought on your negative impression of Islam.
At least your perceived respect for the "Yoruba Muslims" should be enough to let you realize that Islam has not made them "BLOOD THIRSTY". And for those whom you referred to as being "BLOOD THIRSTY", it would be unfair to put the blame on Islam for such crimes. A Muslim whether Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, etc, are those who unconditionally follow the commandments of God Almighty as stated in the Quran and exemplified by the Holy prophet Muhammad.
I also like to point out here that it is very easy for people to mis-interpret messages from the Holy Books if not well versed in them.
That's why we have thousand of volumes of commentaries by scholars to interpret this books to us. For instance, one could be misled by just picking an English Quran and start reading just like that. I hope this makes meaning to non-Muslims as Muslims are quite aware of what 'am trying to explain here. The messages in the book are revealed as a result of events preceding them. Therefore one need to know this before understanding the context of the Quran. Most Muslim know this.
Lastly, If you find any group or individual getting involved in killings as you have repeatedly mentioned in your comments, then such a person is not a Muslim. Period.
It is unfortunate that most people don't even know that groups like BOKO HARAM, MAITASYNE, etc, are not Muslims.
The truth is that no religion preaches violence and any body or group that is found going against this must be brought to book by the law.
Look at killings in DR Congo, attack on Togo nations cup team in Angola, killings in Liberia, etc. These are nations that have almost 100 % Christian citizens. can we say those killers are commanded to perpetrate their evil by Christianity ? the answer is No.
Let us not allow sentiments to overshadow our emotions by raising abuses and curses on each other as I have seen in the past few days on this forum.
It is natural that every religion faithfuls would stand to defend their religion, however in doing so, let us not go beyond barriers by cursing ourselves.
God Knows best.
frank osundo said:YEA...I ACCEPT 100% IF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WILL EMULATE THE YORUBA PEOPLE HOW THEY LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEMSELVES NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION ANYONE PROFESSES, IT WILL GO ALONG WAY TO HEAL OUR LAND OF MUCH BLOOD BATH THAT IS ONGOING... BUT UNFURNATELY MAJORITY ARE BLOOD THIRSTY ORIENTED. GOD HELP US, AMEN.
TOMORI TAOFIK IDOWU said:In all ways, I pray the gud spirit in u neva die and ds by God almighty grace shall lead u true.I am a muslim but my step mum is a christian who have bn wonderful.My family is missed up wit christian and muslim.All we need is just to believe and be sincere with wat we believe in.We cant help anybody but lets all do it right.I realy respect and appreciate you cos u are the only person since i'v bn commenting that sear a fair feeling.
frank osundo said:GOD BLESS U,THAT HAS BEING MY STAND AAND U HAVE BUTTRESSED IT...YORUBA CULTURE IS VERY DYNAMIC AND IT HAS SAVED BLOODBATH..ANY VINDICATION OUTSIDE THIS , MAY NOT MAKE MEANING,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD NOW.
Ademola Temi said:I want to comment/reply to Ahmad, Mohammeed Martins et al. I want all of us to understand that, nobody had a choice on the kind of religion to belong!. We were born one day into a particular family already in a particular religion and so brought up in that religion. I am a christian by faith, but most of the people who have shown great kindness to me in life are Muslims. I have wonderful family members who are muslims. I think there is no need to go to the extreme trying to vilify or be vindictive about religion. I strongly believe that God created christianity and islam to be. There is nothing we can do about it. I read it on this site that there is nothing like violence in the quran, same with bible. Let us live so and spread it so. I am from SouthWest Nigeria, where there is hardly any family (extended) where there is no muslim and christian. Even if there is any law like killing non-muslim, it CANNOT prosper with the kind of family collectivism culture in the region. Pls let's spread it round that you cannot help God, God is the creator of heaven and the earth, and everything in it, including religion!. May God help us all.
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Permalink Reply by Researcher on
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Good day,
mr frank, i can see that you have dedicated yourself to your positions on this discussion and i appreciate that. i would want to appeal to you to please try as much as you can, even pray for God guidance before you respond to comment particularly with respect to the style of your speech and choice of words. this appeal also goes to others. it is important that we consider something. i imagine a child reading some of the post that we have had on this forum and seeing how adult talk to themselves. its a shame really. you should know they have access to it. we want our young generation to learn courtesy from us, we want them to understand that they can disagree with people and still be their friends, we want them to understand that love is shared. that the world has multiple facets, different people, different believes and ideals. i believe you want this too.
let me explain some things cos i believe it might help your understanding and that of others too.
1. you can not use the attitude of yorubas, hausa, igbo, arabs, americans, white or black to define a global believe, ideology or faith. the dynamics of the human race makes it so difficult to define what people really stand for. they must tell you how and why they believe whatever they believe before you can pass your judgement. you must understand that a number of people would do the same thing but for different reasons. the faith we profess is not different. so to pass your judgement, ask the question why are you what you are? why do what you do? why believe what you believe. when you truly understand a people, you will know how to relate with them. you think the yorubas are soooo good, ask them why? and you must know, that believe is a conjecture, it is not a fact.
2. sometimes, we have been unfortunate to be fed with wrong information such that we do not only believe in them, we teach them to others. i imagine a time when a white kid will look at the buttocks of a black slave to see if he has a tail. why? he has been fed with the information that blacks are not people, that they are animals in fact that they are monkeys. today, we are being fed with such information and we eagerly as usual, feed it to others. Whatever information we want to pass across pls let us ensure that we verify and double clarify before we inform others. Some people would not check back to know that you have corrected a mistake and some have so much trust in us that they believe we can not be wrong. Whatever they hear from us would not only be seen as the gospel truth, they will communicate it to others as such. That is the case of the original post for instance. So deep down, do we think that all we have said or written and read by others are facts that they can equally parrot on our behalf?
3. to really learn about something, you must show genuine interest and have an open heart. This may not be a good reference but I learnt something. In the new james chameron movie, avatar, the navii had problems teaching the people from the sky. why? The people of the sky were scientist and they believed the navii were salvage and should rather learn from them (the sky people). When the new guy came and they told him he would not learn, he told them something, “my cup is empty”. and of course he learnt. He learnt in a wonderful way. My point, to learn about islam, you have to come with an empty cup.
How do I mean, lets start this way. A lot of people see is islam as just a religion with rituals and believes just like they see other religion or their faith. Therefore, Islamic believe and tenets are judged by this assumptions ‘sebi’ its just a religion. In fact observing must comments and argument will show you this clearly. Let me emphasis that you can not compare islam with any other religion. Why?
Islam is not just a religion, it’s a total package for existence. Which means there is something for everything that exist in islam. Let me make it short. Islam is a believe which means it is faith based. It runs its own system. The picture is typical of a country where there is a political system, economy system, a social system, legal system, spiritual system, education system, financial system, cultural system, philosophical system, military systems etc. it’s a complete way of life. This totality concept is what people fail to understand. An understanding of this concept will guide the understanding of some of the rules, guideline and principles of islam.
So you see my friend, this concept is what some muslims too miss that have created issues that we have today. Whatever you read in isolation of this understanding might be misunderstood. examples, if you read about the battles fought by the prophet Muhammad (SAW), think about the battles of the Nigerian army. If you read about the shariah, think about the constitution of the united state, if you read about ‘riba’ (banking interest), think about a policy of the Central Bank.
Please, if there are actions of muslims that you are worried about, try to find out. Why? In fact, you may be able to educate them only when you have learnt islam.
Pls I can always be of help.
frank osundo said:MR. KOLADE, DONT QUOTE ME OUT OF CONTEXT,MY CANDID STAND ABOUT THE DYNAMIC UNIFYING CULTURE OF THE YORUBA PEOPLE AMIDST VARYING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, IS MEANT TO SAY THAT YORUBA PAY MUCH OBEISANCE TO THEIR CULTURE THAN RELIGIOUS TENETS. I TELL U EVEN THOSE WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES ' MAINSTREAM ISLAM GROUP' DON'T CONSIDER YORUBAS AS TRUE ISLAM FAITHFULS...THERE ARE NAMES YORUBAS ARE CALLED LIKE 'IZZALA' AND THEY CATEGORIZE U AS 'AR'NA'. FOR EXAMPLE', FASHOLA IS A MUSLIM HIS WIFE A CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN...FASHOLA AND TINUBU COULD GO TO CHURCH PRAY AND FEEL FREE,IT IS NOT SAME WITH OTHERS...AND IT IS NOT ATTRIBUTED TO ISLAM RATHER IS CULTURE DYNAMISM. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING,IF U ARE OPEN TO TRUTH U WILL KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING. FINALLY, I RESPECT ALL WHO CHOOSE WHATEVER TO WORSHIP,BUT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDARIES AS AHMED ATTEMPTED AND I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO TELL HIM THE GOSPEL TRUTH, I KNOW WHEREVER HE IS NOW HE WOULD THINK BEFORE SAYING WHATEVER NEXT TIME.THANK U
Kolade said:Hi Mr Frank,
I think by now, you should at least have a second thought on your negative impression of Islam. At least your perceived respect for the "Yoruba Muslims" should be enough to let you realize that Islam has not made them "BLOOD THIRSTY". And for those whom you referred to as being "BLOOD THIRSTY", it would be unfair to put the blame on Islam for such crimes. A Muslim whether Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, etc, are those who unconditionally follow the commandments of God Almighty as stated in the Quran and exemplified by the Holy prophet Muhammad.
I also like to point out here that it is very easy for people to mis-interpret messages from the Holy Books if not well versed in them.
That's why we have thousand of volumes of commentaries by scholars to interpret this books to us. For instance, one could be misled by just picking an English Quran and start reading just like that. I hope this makes meaning to non-Muslims as Muslims are quite aware of what 'am trying to explain here. The messages in the book are revealed as a result of events preceding them. Therefore one need to know this before understanding the context of the Quran. Most Muslim know this.
Lastly, If you find any group or individual getting involved in killings as you have repeatedly mentioned in your comments, then such a person is not a Muslim. Period.
It is unfortunate that most people don't even know that groups like BOKO HARAM, MAITASYNE, etc, are not Muslims.
The truth is that no religion preaches violence and any body or group that is found going against this must be brought to book by the law.
Look at killings in DR Congo, attack on Togo nations cup team in Angola, killings in Liberia, etc. These are nations that have almost 100 % Christian citizens. can we say those killers are commanded to perpetrate their evil by Christianity ? the answer is No.
Let us not allow sentiments to overshadow our emotions by raising abuses and curses on each other as I have seen in the past few days on this forum.
It is natural that every religion faithfuls would stand to defend their religion, however in doing so, let us not go beyond barriers by cursing ourselves.
God Knows best.
frank osundo said:YEA...I ACCEPT 100% IF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WILL EMULATE THE YORUBA PEOPLE HOW THEY LIVE IN PEACE WITH THEMSELVES NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION ANYONE PROFESSES, IT WILL GO ALONG WAY TO HEAL OUR LAND OF MUCH BLOOD BATH THAT IS ONGOING... BUT UNFURNATELY MAJORITY ARE BLOOD THIRSTY ORIENTED. GOD HELP US, AMEN.
TOMORI TAOFIK IDOWU said:In all ways, I pray the gud spirit in u neva die and ds by God almighty grace shall lead u true.I am a muslim but my step mum is a christian who have bn wonderful.My family is missed up wit christian and muslim.All we need is just to believe and be sincere with wat we believe in.We cant help anybody but lets all do it right.I realy respect and appreciate you cos u are the only person since i'v bn commenting that sear a fair feeling.
frank osundo said:GOD BLESS U,THAT HAS BEING MY STAND AAND U HAVE BUTTRESSED IT...YORUBA CULTURE IS VERY DYNAMIC AND IT HAS SAVED BLOODBATH..ANY VINDICATION OUTSIDE THIS , MAY NOT MAKE MEANING,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD NOW.
Ademola Temi said:I want to comment/reply to Ahmad, Mohammeed Martins et al. I want all of us to understand that, nobody had a choice on the kind of religion to belong!. We were born one day into a particular family already in a particular religion and so brought up in that religion. I am a christian by faith, but most of the people who have shown great kindness to me in life are Muslims. I have wonderful family members who are muslims. I think there is no need to go to the extreme trying to vilify or be vindictive about religion. I strongly believe that God created christianity and islam to be. There is nothing we can do about it. I read it on this site that there is nothing like violence in the quran, same with bible. Let us live so and spread it so. I am from SouthWest Nigeria, where there is hardly any family (extended) where there is no muslim and christian. Even if there is any law like killing non-muslim, it CANNOT prosper with the kind of family collectivism culture in the region. Pls let's spread it round that you cannot help God, God is the creator of heaven and the earth, and everything in it, including religion!. May God help us all.
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