Would you want to vote on any day excepting Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays? Muslims go for service on Fridays. The Hebrews go for fellowship on Saturdays or Shabbat (Sabbath). Christians go for fellowship on Saturdays and Sundays as well.

 

Votes held on the above mentioned days would cause some sort of disruption to the spiritual life of the persons concerned if they are devout to their beliefs.

 

Won't it be proper if the government allows elections on other days excepting Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays to aid spiritual development amongst Nigerians more especially as we get ready for voting in a new set of leadership in 2011?

 

 

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I quite agree with you Gavin Bond...we have never been in democracy from the inception.we call it so because the white man told us to name it so....Ask yourself if we practice same demo-crazy as they do,why are we these backforward?why do we have so much power at the center?why are their no various state police?like the NYPD,LAPD and so on...why is it so difficult for government to prosecute perpetrators of evils in our society????? I know Nigerians do nont want to experience another civil war because the rate of damages its going to cause and as a matter of fact,what we have now is as an effect of the war.

We don't need any war rather lets wake up to reality and take our destiny's in our hands,not by boycotting the election or staging a protest.Lets allow this election to pass not minding the outcome,because we already know what its going turn up to,it just another political charade that has been in parade for years.May God save us from blood sucking politicians..

I've been considering Mr. Bond's objection to religion and politics and believe our collective solution does not lie in doing away with these practices as some others have contributed.

 

I believe there is a trait called adaptability which all living organisms share that affords them a measure of insulation from the excesses of whatever has caught man's fancy at the moment. With this ability it becomes possible to have a realistic existence in spite of contradictions to show the mettle or stuff of which we are made. What do I mean?

 

Democracy is a political system much the same way as socialism, communism and so forth. Man cannot do away with these as we all know or then what would man have? Rather it is the interest - the personal interest of the class of persons entered into leadership which causes social friction of the type Mr. Bond eschews.

 

Thus while religion (a system of belief distinct from dogmatism akin to fanaticism) and politics (a system by which people enter into a leadership of others) are institutions man has developed or underdeveloped, mankind will find it extremely difficult if not impossible to proffer any alternative save for a difference in words.

To be concise I would like to add that democracy, communism, socialism are all part of the larger system of governance which we define as politics as it concerns the manner of interpretation people and interest give to a plethora of social phenomenon.

Irigha DM Olali said:

I've been considering Mr. Bond's objection to religion and politics and believe our collective solution does not lie in doing away with these practices as some others have contributed.

 

I believe there is a trait called adaptability which all living organisms share that affords them a measure of insulation from the excesses of whatever has caught man's fancy at the moment. With this ability it becomes possible to have a realistic existence in spite of contradictions to show the mettle or stuff of which we are made. What do I mean?

 

Democracy is a political system much the same way as socialism, communism and so forth. Man cannot do away with these as we all know or then what would man have? Rather it is the interest - the personal interest of the class of persons entered into leadership which causes social friction of the type Mr. Bond eschews.

 

Thus while religion (a system of belief distinct from dogmatism akin to fanaticism) and politics (a system by which people enter into a leadership of others) are institutions man has developed or underdeveloped, mankind will find it extremely difficult if not impossible to proffer any alternative save for a difference in words.

You are going intellectual here! Democracy is defined, or should I say was defined by early Greek scholars as - Government of The Peoples; By The Peoples; For The Peoples. The process in trying to achieve this is by voting. If you sincerely believe there is democracy in the world, you must be an idealist; they only allow you what they want to allow you, I have been there and I know from experience! In the USA, security comes before democracy and if they believe you are dodgy, there goes your rights and the so called freedom of speech which is part of democracy!

 

Religion: This is the method by which various faiths worship The Almighty One! What is exercerbating for me is seeing my peoples with portraits of Jesus hanging on their walls and praying to the portrait! They told us we were idol worshippers and called us pagans because our ancestors worshipped various idols as images of the Almighty One; no one has ever seen God therefore our ancestors were right in what they did then and what some are still doing today!

Governance:

As you wrote, there is Communism, Socialism, Dictatorship, and Autocracy but NO PATRIACHAL SYSTEM anymore! 

We had this in Africa before the white people and Arabs came along; maybe that is what we need to get back to. Many systems of governance thrived in Africa before the advent of the foreigners and can you believe they have admitted that our systems then were older than their civilisations!

Where we have failed was listening only to one side, the white folks; who have conditioned us to think the that the white man is superior through Jesus and then the Arab said Mohammed is superior, hence, the tug-of-war we have today, which has been there since the times of the Crusades. We should have studied all the systems and take the best from each!

 Communism like they have in China has got its good and bad points and so does western style democracy like they have in the USA and others. If anyone tells you there is no democracy in China, they are lying because they do elect their officials like we do in the western democracy! They elect their officials from the provinces/villages and those officials cast their votes on behalf of the peoples at the Peoples Congress. Therefore, if anyone tells you there is no democracy in China, they are bloody liars!

God, I did not mean to write so much! Some of this is already in my book. If the western system that we have a hybrid of is so good, how come they have underclasses, homelessness, and poverty? We MUST find our own system instead of trying to run an hybrid system of the western style, which has been discredited buy the boom and bust economic periods! If Cuba had the opportunity, without the blockades, it would have been the best; but the USA does not want Socialism/Communism to succeed in their backyard otherwise their people will call for and want the same! Do you know that Americans go to Cuba for free medical treatment because they can not afford it in their so called leader of the world country?

 

Irigha DM Olali said:

I've been considering Mr. Bond's objection to religion and politics and believe our collective solution does not lie in doing away with these practices as some others have contributed.

 

I believe there is a trait called adaptability which all living organisms share that affords them a measure of insulation from the excesses of whatever has caught man's fancy at the moment. With this ability it becomes possible to have a realistic existence in spite of contradictions to show the mettle or stuff of which we are made. What do I mean?

 

Democracy is a political system much the same way as socialism, communism and so forth. Man cannot do away with these as we all know or then what would man have? Rather it is the interest - the personal interest of the class of persons entered into leadership which causes social friction of the type Mr. Bond eschews.

 

Thus while religion (a system of belief distinct from dogmatism akin to fanaticism) and politics (a system by which people enter into a leadership of others) are institutions man has developed or underdeveloped, mankind will find it extremely difficult if not impossible to proffer any alternative save for a difference in words.

how can u justify boycotting elections bcos of d above mentioned days.
woteva u hold against religion should be ur business.



GAVIN BOND said:

Our problem is; WE STILL HAVE NOT GOT IT! We are too divided to have western style democracy that has been imposed on Africa! What DEMOCRACY means in the western world = CONFUSE THE MASSES AND THEN DIVIDE AND RULE THEM!!!!

We are already divided as it is so why waste money on these so called elections when you already know what the OUTCOME WILL BE!

I want yo to look at this fact:

 

RELIGION & POLITICS ARE THE TWO MOST EVIL INVENTIONS BY MAN! HOW MANY HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES BECAUSE OF THESE TWO INVENTIONS OF MAN?

 

BIBLE/QUORAN or KORAN = CONSTITUTION

POPE/AYATOLLAH /ARCHBISHOP = PRESIDENT/PRIME MINISTER

CARDINALS/IMAMS/REVERENDS = CABINET MINISTERS

SYNODS/ALFARS = MEMBERS OF HOUSES

PARISH                 = CONSTITUENCY

CONCREGATION  =  ELECTORATES

GOD / POPE / AYATOLLAH / REVEREND = PRESIDENT = PRIME MINISTER = HE = ALL MEN UNTIL RECENTLY!

CATHOLICS ARE THE HEAD, THE ORIGINATOR OF RELIGION WITH THE POPE AS GOD, THAT IS WHY A WOMAN WILL NEVER BE POPE AND GOD IS REFERRED TO AS HE!

THE PROTESTANTS ARE FIGHTING ONE ANOTHER IN TRYING TO GET WOMEN AS REVEREND FATHERS  OR SHOULD I SAY MOTHERS!

AS FOR ISLAM, JUST LIKE THE CATHOLICS, A WOMAN WILL NEVER BE THE HEAD!

 

Now, do you see how religion and politics are the inventions of man! In their conceptions, women were second class, which is why they claimed God created woman from one of Adam's ribs, just to prove their superiority to women! If you have a logical and an enquiring mind, it is very easy to work out!

 

Can you see how we are being led by the nose because they believe we will swallow  everything they regurgitate!  If we cannot stage the type of civil disobedience that has been going on in the northern part of Africa; why not form a movement to BOYCOTT THE ELECTIONS? Nigeria, good peoples saddled with bad leaders because the RULED are timid!

You still do not get the point - We Are Being Manipulated! You will elect them; they will plunder the country's wealth to the countries of those who say you must have democracy. Those people know that part of democracy is being transparent yet  they are ORDERING YOU TO DO WHAT THEY SAY and you people claim to be INDEPENDENT when you can not think for yourself! All you believe in is the WHITE JESUS and the ARAB MOHAMMED! You believe all they tell you is true because they have asked you to look up to these two peoples! Your food is no good but fried rice and chicken is better; big Mac is the best and Coke is the Almighty drink, even though it is not good for your health! You see, we accept all of these because we have been BRAINWASHED!!!! Did you have FREE Christian or Muslim education?

Democracy is about CONFUSING THE MASSES; then you send them to VOTE; and then DIVIDE and RULE them. That is DEMOCRACY!

We are talking of voting and not who kills who in the name of religion.

max said:
Your wrong in this asumptions. Albeit the same devout too religious nigerians with the most astonishing churches and mosques in Africa yet they kill in the north,west,and south. Where is the hub of corruption, kidnapping, rituals and street night lifes? Enough you.

Who is talking about who kills who? Have you read the posting? It is not about killing, it is about STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE! What has Jesus or Mohammed done for you or the country? Yet you people kill each other because of their faiths! By the way, RELIGION is the method by which we worship the Almighty One? Please read my postings!

Were humans not on this planet before Jesus and Mohammed came along?

How did humans live before the advent of these peoples?

Did humans not survive in this world before democracy?

You MUST ask yourselve these questions?

You need to open your mind and eyes!

 

In as much as I believe there exist a true Religion thru which God can be reached,for even paganism is a form of religion,I must admit that most of world's evils have been committed in the name of religion. In wars,opposing sides have received blessings from their religeous leaders to go and destroy human lives. Or is it the fanatism that drives terrorism today.

GAVIN BOND said:

Who is talking about who kills who? Have you read the posting? It is not about killing, it is about STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE! What has Jesus or Mohammed done for you or the country? Yet you people kill each other because of their faiths! By the way, RELIGION is the method by which we worship the Almighty One? Please read my postings!

Were humans not on this planet before Jesus and Mohammed came along?

How did humans live before the advent of these peoples?

Did humans not survive in this world before democracy?

You MUST ask yourselve these questions?

You need to open your mind and eyes!

 

Who brain washed you? What has Jesus and Mohammed got to do with voting dates? Yes it is true we africans had our way of life and the white man through their colonization changed it. For instance would you rather prefer we walked covered in leaves to wearing suits and caps like the one you are wearing. I suppose you eat with cutlery sets over there and not with your bare hands. Do you drink bottled water or you drink directly from rivers like our forefathers did. Life is dynamic and inculturation has even made it more dynamic. People accept change because they believe their old ways do not reflect or satisfy their aspirations.

You are too strong in your critism, criticising every step we as africans has adopted from the white man. If you feel what ever innovations the white man has brought to africa is bad, dont criticize them wearing their s**** and tie, living among them, eating from their plates and drinking from their cups. Reject them dressed in leaves, drinking from rivers staying in a mud house without lights and come down to african and stay in the bush.

Yes i know you will say we would have gotten there but remember even the ones we have, how have we used or developed them. In as much as you can tolerate the idea of Jesus as the son of God or Mohammed as the last messenger you can atleast respect peoples desire to commune with their God through their chosen faith (christainity and islam) from their rights of fredom of association and speech.

Yes your book as you claim is to make us see how the whites undermine us, but you know reading your book will be seen as a material for knowledge just like Sam Black's book (how europe underdevelop africa) and a host of others. If it is that good it will end up as a reference book for history students.

Please i dont intend to undermine your good work but to let you know i appreciate your efforts. Thank you

GAVIN BOND said:

Who is talking about who kills who? Have you read the posting? It is not about killing, it is about STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE! What has Jesus or Mohammed done for you or the country? Yet you people kill each other because of their faiths! By the way, RELIGION is the method by which we worship the Almighty One? Please read my postings!

Were humans not on this planet before Jesus and Mohammed came along?

How did humans live before the advent of these peoples?

Did humans not survive in this world before democracy?

You MUST ask yourselve these questions?

You need to open your mind and eyes!

 

You know what they say, "when you live in Rome, do as they do", that is why I wear their hat, eat with knife and fork if the food deserves that; drink bottled water if I have to which I do not; wear their clothes because I am in their country but which I NEVER DO when I am in Africa; and what else I do because as I already alluded to ,"do as they do when you're in their country", that is another insight!

When you talk about leaves etc. , I am sure you know and have read about evolution. I need to make a correction though, we never covered ourselves with leaves before the white folks came. You read in the bible that Eve covered her nakedness with leaves, not the Africans; the Bantu tribesmen in the Kalahari still dress like that today, not with leaves! From nakedness we progressed to using animal skins and we would have evolved to the next step if they had not enslaved us!

Religion started in Egypt before Jesus and Mohammed were born! I believe in free speech and free worship of any Gods or Idols or whatever. What I do not like is people telling me Jesus or Mohammed is our saviour and that they are the sons of God or God's agents. People believing these two can change everything when we are all still suffering! When they pray and nothing happens, they tell you your time is not yet here until you go six foot under! But when something happens, they will claim it is because of prayers; that is what I call mendacity!

Why do they go to the hospital to be cured of an ailment when they claim prayers can take care of everything! These are the things I just cannot get my head round and that is why I feel the way about all these faith peoples; reaping off our own peoples by these so called faiths import to our countries in Africa!

The book will be a reference book in the Libraries alright because when a book is published, a copy must be lodged in the Library. On a personal note, have you found any untruth in my postings? Have you searched and found that all I have posted have no substance, just opinions? I am not a conceited person but I can tell you I have been where you will never be; therefore, I speak from knowledge and experience. I have followed politics in Nigeria since I was a kid because my dad was very active with the NCNC and later NPN. I was around when Awo, Azikiwe, Adelabu, Njoku, Mbadiwe, Ribadu, Balewa, etc were around, although I was a little boy, but it stayed in my memory and that is part of the book! 

I quite appreciate your sujourn through our political journey and just to let you know that place which you have been i can get there and even surpass it. No situation is permanent, it is only trees that accept their position as permanent and am no tree.

I find your posting quite interesting, imformative and educative and it has never ceased to amaze me how you want to bring change to nigeria. But let me tell you we are not as advanced as the developed democracy where you reside presently so calling for the kind of drastic change which you advocate is far from been a reality. We have had others like your type who tried but failed not because they never had purposeful intensions but becasuse of our diverse background which has been so battered by bad leadership. So why dont we look for more subtle means like through refrerandum as in sudan. We could start by voting in this election people who have the true nigerian project at heart thereafter we could then decide if we should stay as one or better still adopt Marvos model as proposed in this forum.

GAVIN BOND said:

You know what they say, "when you live in Rome, do as they do", that is why I wear their hat, eat with knife and fork if the food deserves that; drink bottled water if I have to which I do not; wear their clothes because I am in their country but which I NEVER DO when I am in Africa; and what else I do because as I already alluded to ,"do as they do when you're in their country", that is another insight!

When you talk about leaves etc. , I am sure you know and have read about evolution. I need to make a correction though, we never covered ourselves with leaves before the white folks came. You read in the bible that Eve covered her nakedness with leaves, not the Africans; the Bantu tribesmen in the Kalahari still dress like that today, not with leaves! From nakedness we progressed to using animal skins and we would have evolved to the next step if they had not enslaved us!

Religion started in Egypt before Jesus and Mohammed were born! I believe in free speech and free worship of any Gods or Idols or whatever. What I do not like is people telling me Jesus or Mohammed is our saviour and that they are the sons of God or God's agents. People believing these two can change everything when we are all still suffering! When they pray and nothing happens, they tell you your time is not yet here until you go six foot under! But when something happens, they will claim it is because of prayers; that is what I call mendacity!

Why do they go to the hospital to be cured of an ailment when they claim prayers can take care of everything! These are the things I just cannot get my head round and that is why I feel the way about all these faith peoples; reaping off our own peoples by these so called faiths import to our countries in Africa!

The book will be a reference book in the Libraries alright because when a book is published, a copy must be lodged in the Library. On a personal note, have you found any untruth in my postings? Have you searched and found that all I have posted have no substance, just opinions? I am not a conceited person but I can tell you I have been where you will never be; therefore, I speak from knowledge and experience. I have followed politics in Nigeria since I was a kid because my dad was very active with the NCNC and later NPN. I was around when Awo, Azikiwe, Adelabu, Njoku, Mbadiwe, Ribadu, Balewa, etc were around, although I was a little boy, but it stayed in my memory and that is part of the book! 

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