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Permalink Reply by Kolade on March 9, 2010 at 12:31pm

ABDULLAH,

I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU SAW MY LAST COMMENT ON THE REPRISAL ATTACK IN JOS.
WHY CAN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING ON THIS AND STOP REPLYING JONES. JONES IS ENTILTLED TO HIS OPINION AND YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOURS, AGREED. ALL WE ARE SAYING IS THAT THE TWO MAJOR RELIGION DO NOT APPROVE OF VIOLENCE. BUT HOW TO YOU THEN EXONERATE RELIGION FROM THESE KNOWING FULLY WELL THE TRIBES INVOLVED BELONG TO A PARTICULAR FAITH? AND SO WHAT I PERSONALLY EXPECT FROM YOU IS TO COME UP AND CONDEMN THAT ATTACK IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO THE OPPRESSORS WERE. PEOPLE DYING HERE ARE HUMAN BEING FOR GOD SAKE, CHRISTIAN OR MUSLIM. HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THAT BEFORE? IF WE CONTINUE THIS WAY, YOU CAN EXPECT THAT ANOTHER REPRISAL ATTACK FROM THE OPPRESSED WOULD BE AT CORNER SOON. MUST WE WIPE OUT OURSELVES BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS FANATICISM?
ENOUGH OF THIS COUNTER ARGUEMENTS AND LETS FACE THE REALITY ON GROUND.

THAT'S ABOUT THAT.

MEANWHILE I CAME ACROSS THIS WRITE UP BY PIUS ADESANMI WHILE SEARCHING FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO THE HOUSE. IT'S ACTUALLY LONG BUT PLEASE BE PATIENT TO READ TO THE END.

GOD BLESS.
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2009 Dewdrops Of Memory: Isanlu And The Islam That I Knew

By Pius Adesanmi
22 August 2009


Léopold Sédar Senghor was unable to reconcile the contradictory identities of France. There was a France that proclaimed Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity but was at the centre of slavery and colonial brutality. There was a France that gave Senghor everything, including the opportunity to become the first African writer to narrowly miss the Nobel Prize for Literature even before Wole Soyinka became a probable Nobel and sentiments of Chinua Achebe’s continuous omission gained currency, but at the same time organized colonial forced labour and massacres in Africa, especially the massacre at Thiaroye in Senegal, Senghor’s homeland. Faced with these agonizing contradictions, Senghor penned these famous lines in one of his Négritude poems: “Oh Lord, put away from my memory France which is not France, this mask of pettiness and hatred over the face of France”.
France which is not France! The France that captured and sold slaves; the France that colonized and neo-colonized; the France that piled up corpses from Haiti to Algeria via Vietnam; the France of hatred and pettiness. That is the France that Senghor couldn’t recognize in the France that he knew: the France that made him one of Africa’s most famous Polymaths; the France that made him one of the world’s greatest poets. Every time I think about the Islam that came into my consciousness during my formative years in Nigeria, the Islam I related to because of its unavoidable presence and alterity in my world, I feel an overwhelming sense of the Senghorian dilemma. Recently, I experienced the full weight of Senghor’s anguish as I contemplated Boko Haram’s mountain of corpses displayed all over the net – the contemptible rulers of Nigeria still largely underestimate the evidentiary power of the internet. A religion whose ubiquitous presence defined part of my youth insists on turning the Nigeria of my adulthood into one vast necropolis.
Hijacked by some of the worst criminals Nigeria has to offer in her prurient ruling class and turned into a political weapon that consistently instrumentalizes deliberately pauperized youths to deadly ends, what once passed as familiar Islam is defamiliarized beyond recognition. Yet you cannot deny knowing this Islam for you are bound by the cultural warrant of the Yoruba proverb: oju to mo eni ri ko le l’oun o mo eni mo (people or things once known cannot be unknown). If, according to this Yoruba proverb, you cannot now unknow Islam because you once knew her, you are at least at liberty to acknowledge the disconnect between what you knew and what now is. Hence my own Senghorian lament: what is this Islam which is not Islam? What is this thing wearing a mask of pettiness and hatred as it rages annually through northern Nigeria, swimming in a river of Nigerian blood?
The Islam that I knew was already in full swing decades before my head kissed the earth of Isanlu, my home town in Yagba East Local Government Area of Kogi State. As is the case all over Nigeria and Africa, life in Isanlu was suffused in colourful forms of traditional spiritual expression until Christianity arrived in the early 20th century and things began to fall apart. Of the scores of Isanlu rituals and traditional festivals my maternal grandfather told me about as a kid, I met only the Ogun, Sango, Egungun, new yam, and a handful of other festivals and they were all in Intensive Care Unit at the hospital after life-threatening injuries sustained from contact with Christianity. I still have vague recollections of the severance of the neck of that propitiatory Ogun dog and the subsequent procession through the town by Ogun adherents whom my outraged Catholic parents dismissed as idol worshippers and pagans. Sadly, Ogun and Sango festivals did not make it. They perished in Isanlu somewhere in my teenage years. Somehow, I still think Ogun and Sango were lucky to have died peacefully in the hands of orthodox Christianity like Catholicism and ECWA. Imagine what manner of undignifying death Pentecostalism – which came later - would have visited on them.
To survive, Egungun (masquerades) and new yam festivals had to devise ways of dealing with Christianity, the impertinent mosquito that elected permanent residence on their scrotum. Egungun had to “de-spiritualize” or “de-paganize” itself and become an annual Isanlu Day cultural festival in order to be left in peace by Christians. Today, the annual Egungun festival in Isanlu has zero connection with spirits and ancestors. It is just a secular aesthetic ceremony meant to entertain people (one month before Easter!) and to tease the camera lenses of curious European and American visitors. I have only just launched a private initiative to find, buy, and save some of the masks before they are destroyed by Enoch Adeboye’s Pentecostal soldiers in Isanlu. Or before an enterprising European or American beats me to it! I don’t want my two-year-old daughter to have to pay to see Isanlu Egungun masks in a European or American museum in the future. That is why I still cannot visit Africa Collections in museums in Paris and London. I cannot pay to see my own stolen property.
The new yam festival took more radical steps to survive the onslaught of Christianity: it simply passed (like African American ‘passing’) and became a Christian ritual! I wonder why scholars of Africa have devoted scant attention to this interesting phenomenon of an ancestral ritual passing. The new yam festival simply became part of the annual harvest and thanksgiving activities on the calendar of every Christian denomination in Isanlu, especially my local parish of the Catholic Church. In fact, I knew it exclusively as a Christian rite until I became a serious student of my culture and history. In Isanlu, you took the first and choicest yam harvest from your farm to the Christian altar – Chinua Achebe’s readers should bear in mind where the people took their yams to after the fall of Ezeulu. That is why Achebe is more than fiction for some of us. In essence, nobody born in my generation in Isanlu and other parts of Yagba land has any memory of the new yam festival as a traditional ritual. For my generation, it is an important feature of the Christian calendar!
In essence, the people of Isanlu are predominantly Christians whose grandparents and great grandparents followed the familiar script of encounter with European missionarization. I would put Isanlu at 95% Christians. The regular denominations held sway – Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists, and ECWA. There were also the Africanized white garment aladura denominations. The hurricane of Pentecostalism would breeze in ferociously only in the 1980s. I have yet to study how Islam crept into this almost seamless shift from Yoruba spiritualities to Christianity in Isanlu but my home town has always had an indigenous Moslem minority, located mostly in the Bagido/Mopo axis of the town. By the late 1970s, itinerant Fulani herdsmen, who used to guide their cattle annually through our farmlands – causing significant damage to crops but allowing us to feast on kilishi, wara, fura, and nono – requested land to settle. Kabiyesi and his council of baales deliberated and actually gave them land and space close to the Oba’s palace. Thus was born in the early 1980s the part of Isanlu we now call Sabon Gari or Sabo for short – with its typical Hausa-Fulani suya market layout – swelling the Moslem population of Isanlu. The children and grandchildren of these Hausa-Fulani settlers now speak mostly Yagba dialect and Yoruba. With the wild theories of non-Yorubaness one encounters in respect of Lagos by ferocious appropriators of other people’s patrimony these days, let’s hope that these Hausa-Fulani children of immigrant parents will not wake up one day and declare with postmodern fiat that Isanlu is actually not Yagba land!
The Isanlu of my formative years was thus an interesting theatre of non-violent coexistence between dominant Christianity, minority Islam, and whatever was left precariously of Yoruba spiritualities. The relationship between Christianity and Islam in Isanlu is even more interesting and will detain me for the rest of this essay. Virtually every Christian denomination and the Moslems founded a primary and secondary school in Isanlu. For instance, the Catholics owned the local cottage hospital, two primary schools, and Saint Kizito’s College. My father reigned supreme as Principal of Saint Kizito’s College in the 1970s before he was transferred to head Saint Augustine’s College in Kabba in 1978. The Moslem community in Isanlu owned Ansar-Ud-Deen (we called it Ansaru) primary school and Oluyori Muslim Comprehensive High School. My first teenage exploratory kiss with my one true love in fact took place in the corridors of Ansaru.
For some reason I need to study seriously now that I am assessing Isanlu closely, none of these educational institutions discriminated in their admission policy. Parents enrolled their children freely in any school of their choice without religious considerations. Thus, the Catholic primary schools had lots of ECWA, Anglican, and Moslem pupils. Ansaru probably had more Christian than Muslims students, given Isanlu’s dense Christian population. Christian teachers taught at Ansaru; Moslem teachers taught at the Christian schools. The ECWA mother of my first true love was once Headmistress at Ansaru. My best friend, a Pentecostal, attended Oluyori Muslim High School.
These constant flows between faiths did not stop at the level of educational institutions. The faiths worked out unwritten codes of collaboration and mutual co-presence by sharing one another’s celebrations. I remember our annual Catholic thanksgiving in September. Donation time and our Catechist, Mr. Alegbemi, would mount the rostrum and make a roll call of every Christian denomination in Isanlu. Each delegation – Baptist, Anglican, Methodist, ECWA, CAC, etc - would rise up when announced and dance to the altar with their envelope to the accompaniment of inspirational choruses by the host choir and a generous shower of holy water by the officiating priest, with yours truly holding the water bowl as altar boy. The last on Mr. Alegbemi’s list were always representatives from Isanlu Mosque. The Moslem delegation would also approach the altar with their envelope. The following week, it was the turn of another Christian denomination and the scenario that played out last week at the Catholic church would be repeated. Thus, from September through November of every year, the entire Isanlu community moved from one church to another, celebrating the host church’s annual harvest/ikore festival. And these celebrations always included a delegation from the Mosque. Dewdrops of memory…
The celebrations rolled into Christmas and New Year festivities which the Moslem community also celebrated with us. Christmas day, after Mass, my mother would dish out the rice and chicken and load the steaming plates on trays that we the children must carry to designated partakers of her Christmas largesse. I still recall my resentment and bitterness that, after my father, the choicest parts of the chicken went to the white Catholic priests. I would grumble all the way to Church with that tray of rice and chicken meant for Reverend Fathers Léo Leblanc and Gérard Fournier on my head. I had more reason to be unhappy if Bishop Alexius Makozi (now Bishop of Port Harcourt Diocese) happened to be around. That meant a definitive death sentence for two cocks (roosters) that I had been told belonged to me and that I had fed conscientiously throughout the year – I would be lucky if I got the intestines, legs, and necks of the unfortunate fowls! My cousins and nephews carried similar trays of food that my mother had dished out for an Alhaji here, an Alhaja there, and other members of the Isanlu Moslem community. Dewdrops of memory…
The Moslems too had their celebrations and festivals that involved the Isanlu Christian community. My favorite was the return from pilgrimage by any Isanlu Moslem who had been privileged to go to Mecca. What a feast! We the children, Christians and Moslems alike, would form a long procession through the town with the new Alhaji or Alhaja, singing and dancing:
Barika re oh eh
Barika re oh ah
Alhaji to re Mecca to bo
Barika re

(Congratulations
To the faithful
Who went to Mecca
And is back among us)
The procession ended at the new Alhaji’s or Alhaja’s house with eating, drinking (not alcohol o!) and merriment. We the Christians joined in Islamic choruses offering thanks and praises to Allah for the safe return of that son or daughter of Isanlu from Mecca. The entire Isanlu community celebrated every Moslem festival. Between inter-denominational and inter-religious festivities and trans-religious educational institutions, growing up the way I did in Isanlu meant encountering Islam as a member of the family even though no member of my immediate or extended family was a Moslem. Dewdrops of memory…
There were of course minor tensions. The occasional flash of anger when, as children playing football after classes, a Christian mocked the faith of the Moslems as imo lile (difficult religion) – a contraction of which is the popular Yoruba cognomen for Islam, imole. That was the most serious denigration of Islam that I knew growing up. To put the impertinent Christian kid in his place, we would join our offended Muslim playmates in singing:
E ye pe Musulumi loni mole
Elesin Isilamu ki se mole
Elesin alafia ki se mole
Eni ba pe Musulumi l’oni mole
Ko kewu ri, ko bere
A lai mo kan ni

(Call not the Muslim
An adherent of a difficult faith
A Religion of peace it is
If you have never prayed, never inquired
Yet label the Muslim faithful
You are just ignorant)
Some of these boyhood quarrels ultimately ended at home with parents on all sides enjoining all parties to respect one another’s faiths and to remember that we were all omo Isanlu. Boyhood passed, young adulthood came. Location: University of Ilorin mini-campus. My undergraduate years came before the era of sanguinary campus cultism in Nigeria. Apart from our studies, all we knew were the excitement of aluta, police tear gas, and the menace of campus Pentecostal fellowships. Campus born again Christians (SUs) could never be content to assemble for fellowship in one or two large groups in consideration of other members of the campus community. Rather, following the bad example of the public nuisance value of their parent organizations on the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, scores of little sub-groups answering every name from Tabernacle to Maranatha, from Deeper Life to Rhema, from Redeem to Mountain of Fire via Living Faith and Christ Embassy, would take over every available lecture room, the one trying to outscream the other, as they spoke in tongues and invited the Lord’s fire on powers, principalities, dominions, and other enemies all night long. A group of five fellowshipping students could take over a 100-seater lecture room, screaming in tongues all night. This made the campus very hostile for those of us who needed to study to pass exams. Those wailing all night were already assured of the Pentecostal miracle of passing without studying. Dewdrops of memory…
The Islam I met as an undergraduate at this Pentecostalism-infested mini-campus of the University of Ilorin was not the Caliphal Islam of the town of Ilorin proper. I remember it now only as an Islam of early morning feasting and celebration during the Islamic fasting season. That was a season of early morning largesse and abundance that my friends and I, all Christians, looked forward to! The fasting Muslim students had to wake up every morning to break their fast. They called it sari in their local Islamic parlance. I guess there is something in their religion that enjoined them to share that meal happily with their friends and neighbours, irrespective of religious differences. We waited for the early morning call of their muezzin who would scream in the hostel corridors every morning: “Wake up! Wake up! It’s time for sari!” We the Christians would be the first to wake up and start the rounds from room to room, inviting ourselves to the meals of Muslim students! You only need to remember the financial precariousness of undergraduate life to appreciate the importance of this awoof (free) Moslem breakfast that I never missed in my four years of undergraduate life. Dewdrops of memory…
The Islam I encountered from Isanlu to Ilorin in my formative years was not just about awoof food and festivities. That Islam also fed my mind and expanded my world. I have written about my father’s vast family library in one of my longer biographical essays. Alfred Oludare Adesanmi despised a mind that didn’t devour books daily and he never stopped buying books and expanding his personal library till he died in 2007. I tearfully recall now the hours I had to spend reading in his company in that library – with a rap on the head if I forgot what he told me about the Almoravids or the Hamitic hypothesis yesterday – while regretting the five-a-side football game of “set” I was missing with my friends, hoping he would let me go before the end of the game and spare me the exaggerated accounts of my friends the following day at school. “Ah, Pius, game ana yen gbona!” Very hot game! You missed o! Dewdrops of memory…
That expansive library became my most precious inheritance as his only son when he died. Dad was also a trained historian, with a B.A and an M.A in African history. He was half way into a Ph.D in African history at the Ahmadu Bello University, focusing on the trans-saharan trade, when his health failed him and he abandoned the programme in the mid-1980s. He never really recovered from that illness. Because he was in the ABU tradition of African history, his library contained impressive materials on Islam in West Africa, especially the Islamic scholarship that emanated from Timbuktu. He subscribed to Tarikh, collected material on Islamic poetry and philosophy. My fascination with the travels and writings of Ibn Battuta started in my father’s library at home. That was where I also encountered names like Rumi, Ibn Khaldun, and Al Maghili. Dewdrops of memory…
This is the Islam I knew. This is the Islam that fed my belly and my mind. Now I watch in horror, in stark contemplation of a faith gone awry. How did this Islam arrive at the conclusion that it was okay to sever the head of Gideon Akaluka, mount it on a spike, and chant Allah Akbar triumphantly in the streets of Kano? What about Christianah Oluwasesin, clobbered to death in the name of this Islam by high school boys? Why has the educated elite from this part of Nigeria pretended thus far that it can do nothing about this nonsense for which they must all be held responsible without exception? Have they given a thought to forming alliances and embarking on sensitization campaigns to wrest Islam from the control of their deadly and opportunistic political elite? Again, we must ask that question inspired by Senghor: what is this Islam which is not Islam?



Abdullahi Al-Hassan said:

Jones have forgotten that all the other religions of the world unite against islam. from israel ( ma Allah curse be on them) to denmark (la anatullah) and to every part of the word. from killing of muslims in the middle east by israel, england and america and the abuse of prophet Mohammad (SAW) in europe and the abuse of Qur'an everywhere in the world. you have to remember all these things. Islam teaches us to live in peace with all lovers of peace, Islam has never allow us to fight except to depend ourselves and our properties.
Jones said:

If Islam is a peaceful religion as the muslims try to defend it. Why is Islam at war with every other religion on earth even among itself? We have about a thousand religions on earth and it´s a common knowledge that Islam is the religion that is causing over 75% of all religious related troubles on earth.
One may find it difficult to name the most peaceful religion on earth at first thought but everybody can tell the most troublesome religion on earth without a second thought.

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Permalink Reply by agboola temitope oluwafemi on March 22, 2010 at 11:10am

well, religion is a very strong topic to be discussed in a public read up yes Muslim, Christian every one fight for superiority of their faith but i will never support a religion that advocate for blood shedding to gain salvation but above all want every body to go back and really search if the book he believe in talked about killing or not for salvation just let leave to together, niaja issue is enough to face please if u know ur God u will do exploit

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Permalink Reply by agboola temitope oluwafemi on March 22, 2010 at 11:10am

well, religion is a very strong topic to be discussed in a public read up yes Muslim, Christian every one fight for superiority of their faith but i will never support a religion that advocate for blood shedding to gain salvation but above all want every body to go back and really search if the book he believe in talked about killing or not for salvation just let leave to together, niaja issue is enough to face please if u know ur God u will do exploit

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Permalink Reply by MUKORHO Lawrence on March 22, 2010 at 11:49am

What did Adyemi means by '' UNJUST KILLING OF INNOCENT NON MUSLIMS '' So when is it become just for them to kill ?What make a killing justified in any religious ?
What Adeyemi would have done is to quote the interview wrong by another published interview with his Imam to clarify the said widely publication.
If he failed to have an interview with his Imam and get back to us it deemed has lost his message of peace.

wale adeyemi said:

Its funny that an educated person can believe this article you just presented. I'm a muslim and a proud one. I have never been told to kill any 'infidel' or non muslims. No where in the holy Quran does it mention the unjust killing of innocent non muslims. This is an unfair lie and unjust potrayal of islam.
All you need to know the truth is to google the author and his antecedence. Mr Mathes has been on a 'crusade' against Islam since 9/11. He will stop at nothing to rubbish this beautiful religion. Perhaps he should explain why Islam is growing so fast!

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Permalink Reply by adio oyindamola on March 22, 2010 at 12:52pm

Peace be upon you my friends ,Islam is a religion of peace to everybody,and teach us that we should leave together in peace for exampleQ4;3( and do good to parents,kinsfolk,orphan,the neighbour who is near of kin,the neighbour who is stranger,the companion by your side,thewayfarer,and those whom your right possess.Verily,Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful

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Permalink Reply by Pastor Ahmed Jeremiah EL-Buba on March 22, 2010 at 1:23pm

I'm amazed by your findings, but i tell you its the Obed truth. The children of the bond woman- Ishmael are the Armageddon of this generation. Islam is not the religion of peace as the adherents portray but terrorism and killings of innocent people. Look at the crisis in Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Turkey, and almost all the northern states in Nigeria have experienced the dose of the senseless killings in the name of religion. Its a religion from the pit of hell. Those who are wise and see the handwriting on the wall should avoid it like a plague.

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Permalink Reply by The Prince on March 23, 2010 at 2:41pm

You hit the nail right in the head there Pastor Ahmed, but our people are so brainwahsed to see beyond their noses. I dont blame them though they have been brainwashed by thier Arab masters who have an ulterior motive for Africa. Black people are under an evil siege from the Arabs under the guise of religion. Who will help Black Africa.
Pastor Ahmed Jeremiah EL-Buba said:

I'm amazed by your findings, but i tell you its the Obed truth. The children of the bond woman- Ishmael are the Armageddon of this generation. Islam is not the religion of peace as the adherents portray but terrorism and killings of innocent people. Look at the crisis in Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Turkey, and almost all the northern states in Nigeria have experienced the dose of the senseless killings in the name of religion. Its a religion from the pit of hell. Those who are wise and see the handwriting on the wall should avoid it like a plague.

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Permalink Reply by David Kelly on March 24, 2010 at 12:33am

Wherever Islam rears is ugly head, death and destruction ALWAYS follows. Imagine a world at peace. Imagine a world without Islam.

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Permalink Reply by Malibu Beach James on March 24, 2010 at 8:46am

Your problem is ignorance and inferiority complex which bedevil all Christians and Jews alike. Look through the annals of history and you will appreciate the fact that it is the Christian and the Jewish world that are ever present in the nations that you mentioned simply to destroy Islam but yet they could not achieve any meaningful results.The CIA,FBI and MOSSAD are everywhere spreading corruption on this earth.Let me remind you I don't expect you to know because of your biased and ignorant mind but it is a known fact it was the U.S that was behind the destruction of the old soviet union and today the same U.S is fighting the Afghans simply because they refused to abandon the religion of Islam.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that we Muslims will never allow any mortal and sinful human being like pope or any council of priests to edit or change our holy scripture according to their whims and caprices.we shall never remain docile like Christians who have resigned their hopes to their so called corrupt church leaders.We Muslims will never sit and wait for self avaricious people called the Vertican to dictate to us even when the Church itself is always engulfed with crises of child abuse, sodomy and adultery.It is only in Christianity where you will find more than 100 different copies of the Bible and where you also will find drunkards as Church leaders editing the Bible and giving out sermons.

Let me remind you Mr fake pastor if the religion of Islam were a religion of violence why is it that people are accepting it in multitudes especially in Asia,Europe and America? This fact was attested by the Vertican itself raising concern about the development but they can't do nothing because Allah almighty says "And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds" (Qur 110:2).We shall remain firm and resolute and we shall always defend our religion so you can call it whatever.

The Prince said:

You hit the nail right in the head there Pastor Ahmed, but our people are so brainwahsed to see beyond their noses. I dont blame them though they have been brainwashed by thier Arab masters who have an ulterior motive for Africa. Black people are under an evil siege from the Arabs under the guise of religion. Who will help Black Africa.
Pastor Ahmed Jeremiah EL-Buba said:

I'm amazed by your findings, but i tell you its the Obed truth. The children of the bond woman- Ishmael are the Armageddon of this generation. Islam is not the religion of peace as the adherents portray but terrorism and killings of innocent people. Look at the crisis in Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Turkey, and almost all the northern states in Nigeria have experienced the dose of the senseless killings in the name of religion. Its a religion from the pit of hell. Those who are wise and see the handwriting on the wall should avoid it like a plague.

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Permalink Reply by Mwakuk Jang on March 24, 2010 at 9:23am

I am appalled by the expressions being offered here by the adherents of the two religions. I am a Christian, and we are taught the world over to be peaceful and to love our neighbours like ourselves. If Islam is that peaceful, why the killings that are being experienced all over the place? Look at the killings of innocent women and children in Jos that took place recently. If it does not carry any religious connotations as some ignorant people want us to believe, why the destruction of places of worship each time there is an uprising? Look at the innocent babies and women that were exterminated in that senseless orgy.
The claim that mortal and sinful man edits and changes the Holy Scripture is not tenable. Can Malibu Beach James cite a verse of any of the books that has been altered to suit a purpose? The fact that there are versions is for ease of understanding even in local dialects. Does that connote changing the word of God? Are there no corrupt leaders in Islam? God commanded mankind not to kill one another. Why the so many killings being carried out by the Islamist Jihadists? Your claim thatit is only in Christianity that you have drunkards that give sermons, I want to say emphatically that there are more drunkards in Islam than in Christianity. If you doubt me, visit the drinking pubs during the so-called fasting month of Ramadan and see that those places have scanty customers. Where did all the customers go during that so-called Holy Ramadan month? Let’s call a spade and stop this buck passing. All human beings have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, not a particular race or religion. This is so because here in Nigeria we have seen cases where upon introduction of their Sharia Islamic Law in Zamfara State, a Mallam Jangadi was amputated for stealing a cow, while some of the Muslim Governors behaving like Machiavelli, using religion as cover, were busy looting the treasury of billions of Naira.

Malibu Beach James said:

Your problem is ignorance and inferiority complex which bedevil all Christians and Jews alike. Look through the annals of history and you will appreciate the fact that it is the Christian and the Jewish world that are ever present in the nations that you mentioned simply to destroy Islam but yet they could not achieve any meaningful results.The CIA,FBI and MOSSAD are everywhere spreading corruption on this earth.Let me remind you I don't expect you to know because of your biased and ignorant mind but it is a known fact it was the U.S that was behind the destruction of the old soviet union and today the same U.S is fighting the Afghans simply because they refused to abandon the religion of Islam.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that we Muslims will never allow any mortal and sinful human being like pope or any council of priests to edit or change our holy scripture according to their whims and caprices.we shall never remain docile like Christians who have resigned their hopes to their so called corrupt church leaders.We Muslims will never sit and wait for self avaricious people called the Vertican to dictate to us even when the Church itself is always engulfed with crises of child abuse, sodomy and adultery.It is only in Christianity where you will find more than 100 different copies of the Bible and where you also will find drunkards as Church leaders editing the Bible and giving out sermons.

Let me remind you Mr fake pastor if the religion of Islam were a religion of violence why is it that people are accepting it in multitudes especially in Asia,Europe and America? This fact was attested by the Vertican itself raising concern about the development but they can't do nothing because Allah almighty says "And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds" (Qur 110:2).We shall remain firm and resolute and we shall always defend our religion so you can call it whatever.

The Prince said:

You hit the nail right in the head there Pastor Ahmed, but our people are so brainwahsed to see beyond their noses. I dont blame them though they have been brainwashed by thier Arab masters who have an ulterior motive for Africa. Black people are under an evil siege from the Arabs under the guise of religion. Who will help Black Africa.
Pastor Ahmed Jeremiah EL-Buba said:

I'm amazed by your findings, but i tell you its the Obed truth. The children of the bond woman- Ishmael are the Armageddon of this generation. Islam is not the religion of peace as the adherents portray but terrorism and killings of innocent people. Look at the crisis in Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Turkey, and almost all the northern states in Nigeria have experienced the dose of the senseless killings in the name of religion. Its a religion from the pit of hell. Those who are wise and see the handwriting on the wall should avoid it like a plague.

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Permalink Reply by Nura Hamza on March 24, 2010 at 1:09pm

Jang! let me take ur point one after the other dfferences in the bible is known to all so go and your book very well and try and compare king james vesion of the bible with other version.
2. Yes their are corrupt leader in that are muslim but their sin is for them, but islam didnot teached them that.
3. Yes some muslim drink but they are few, but in christianity is allow that why majority of christians are drunker,let take Beron from jos kataf from southen kaduna everybody is a drunker except those that convert to islam among them.
4. Who tell you those killers are islamic jihadis that is our problems in Nigeria have evidece before you talk, some they are fulani beron and they are christian go and luk for yourself.
5. mallam jangae is free from that sin to God side unless he commit another one,but for any muslim leader or politian that do anything is between him and his God since they know that nobody wll funish them now

Mwakuk Jang said:

I am appalled by the expressions being offered here by rthe adherents of the two religions. I am a Christian, and we are taught the world over to be peaceful and to love our neighbours like ourselves. If Islam is that peaceful, why the killings that are being experienced all over the place? Look at the killings of innocent women and children in Jos that took place recently. If it does not carry any religious connotations as some ignorant people want us to believe, why the destruction of places of worship each time there is an uprising? Look at the innocent babies and women that were exterminated in that senseless orgy.
The claim that mortal and sinful man edits and changes the Holy Scripture is not tenable. Can Malibu Beach James cite a verse of any of the books that has been altered to suit a purpose? The fact that there are versions is for ease of understanding even in local dialects. Does that connote changing the word of God? Are there no corrupt leaders in Islam? God commanded mankind not to kill one another. Why the so many killings being carried out by the Islamist Jihadists? Your claim thatit is only in Christianity that you have drunkards that give sermons, I want to say emphatically that there are more drunkards in Islam than in Christianity. If you doubt me, visit the drinking pubs during the so-called fasting month of Ramadan and see that those places have scanty customers. Where did all the customers go during that so-called Holy Ramadan month? Let’s call a spade and stop this buck passing. All human beings have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, not a particular race or religion. This is so because here in Nigeria we have seen cases where upon introduction of their Sharia Islamic Law in Zamfara State, a Mallam Jangadi was amputated for stealing a cow, while some of the Muslim Governors behaving like Machiavelli, using religion as cover, were busy looting the treasury of billions of Naira.

Malibu Beach James said:

Your problem is ignorance and inferiority complex which bedevil all Christians and Jews alike. Look through the annals of history and you will appreciate the fact that it is the Christian and the Jewish world that are ever present in the nations that you mentioned simply to destroy Islam but yet they could not achieve any meaningful results.The CIA,FBI and MOSSAD are everywhere spreading corruption on this earth.Let me remind you I don't expect you to know because of your biased and ignorant mind but it is a known fact it was the U.S that was behind the destruction of the old soviet union and today the same U.S is fighting the Afghans simply because they refused to abandon the religion of Islam.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that we Muslims will never allow any mortal and sinful human being like pope or any council of priests to edit or change our holy scripture according to their whims and caprices.we shall never remain docile like Christians who have resigned their hopes to their so called corrupt church leaders.We Muslims will never sit and wait for self avaricious people called the Vertican to dictate to us even when the Church itself is always engulfed with crises of child abuse, sodomy and adultery.It is only in Christianity where you will find more than 100 different copies of the Bible and where you also will find drunkards as Church leaders editing the Bible and giving out sermons.

Let me remind you Mr fake pastor if the religion of Islam were a religion of violence why is it that people are accepting it in multitudes especially in Asia,Europe and America? This fact was attested by the Vertican itself raising concern about the development but they can't do nothing because Allah almighty says "And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Religion in crowds" (Qur 110:2).We shall remain firm and resolute and we shall always defend our religion so you can call it whatever.

The Prince said:

You hit the nail right in the head there Pastor Ahmed, but our people are so brainwahsed to see beyond their noses. I dont blame them though they have been brainwashed by thier Arab masters who have an ulterior motive for Africa. Black people are under an evil siege from the Arabs under the guise of religion. Who will help Black Africa.
Pastor Ahmed Jeremiah EL-Buba said:

I'm amazed by your findings, but i tell you its the Obed truth. The children of the bond woman- Ishmael are the Armageddon of this generation. Islam is not the religion of peace as the adherents portray but terrorism and killings of innocent people. Look at the crisis in Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, India, Turkey, and almost all the northern states in Nigeria have experienced the dose of the senseless killings in the name of religion. Its a religion from the pit of hell. Those who are wise and see the handwriting on the wall should avoid it like a plague.

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