Muslim Belief

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in the prison ministry.

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially amongst the minority races!!!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: 'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?' There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, 'Non-believers!'


I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith, or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Imam was speechless!

I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me!

Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the Diversification training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.


In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President!

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!


This is your chance to make a difference...


FOR GODS' SAKE! PLEASE SEND THIS ON!

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I think 'am beginning to subscribe to what Titi said that this discussion should be closed now that it has virtually turned into an avenue to exchange abuses. I can't believe that we can go as far as calling ourselves olosi.

That is a Yoruba word which has a negative gravity. Please and Please things are getting out of hand here.


jimoh lanre said:
you are funny,who is this one ?wherre are u from?what is the most beautiful religion, beautiful how, what is ur criteria? u mean Islam contested for miss world? i laughed at u, so u just got a new id today to post comments that is inconsequential? are u sure u are not one of those people Mr. frank told the home truth that are running helter skelter? whom do u called detractors and what geometric growth has islam recorded? hmmmm! give us a detailed statistics.today 500 people have died in irag sunni and shitte confrontation, get fiqures from the world then pls post it here for all of us to celebrate ur geometric growth, u are killing and fooling urselves on numbers. u kills and u blamed it to detractors eh? olosi


Bello Abdul said:
Islam is dmost beautiful religion the universe has ever known. I feel extremely sorry for the likes of that fellow that came up with that 'story'. If u approach anything with a heart that is partisan-moreso when that thing is Islam(cos it's detractors have tried every evil means known to them to demonize it; yet it growth's been geometric), u're likely to be befallen by the same fate as has befallen that fellow. Approach islam with an open heart and what becomes of those misconceptions u bear in ur heart.
Islam means peace, anybody that engages in any act that breaches peace is anti-Islam. It is true that some Islamic fundamentalists are known for violence.
God almighty knows best why Islam came to the world through the Arabs and Christianity through the Israelites; these people are known for violence right from the beginning of the world. Before Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBOH) started His mission, Arabia land was always at war either against itself or other nations, this was in addition to idol worshipping and other immoral practices like one woman married to more than one man, killing of twins , killing of female child, immoral dressing, excessive consumption of alcohol etc. With the advent of Islam, sweeping changes were recorded and decency restored. As human beings, we all know that certain habits are difficult to curtail and they are passed from generations to generations, despite the teaching of Islam against violence, these people still exhibit the trait of violence at the least provocations.
Arab countries are supposed to be the shining example for the rest of the world if they truly imbibe the tenets of Islam as regards peaceful co-existence among mankind.
Though most of their actions are reactionary to the oppressive western diplomacy, but that does not justify violence because even Africans suffered more in the hand of the western power bloc than any other region of the world.
Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBOH) did not start any war, he was always running away from the His persecutors, He once came to Africa (Abyssinia) for asylum, He was commanded by God to fight back at His place of hiding called Badr when He and His followers were surrounded by the infidels of Mecca and God being on their side, they triumphed over their enemies despite the Meccans’ numerical advantage. All these are available in various Islamic literature books.
Coming to Christianity, it is well known that Israelites are partners in violence with the Arabs, Arab Muslims are even more tolerant than them, as at today, foreigners that survive any day in Israel will count that day as a bonus, my uncle that travelled to Israel five years ago for greener pasture came back home a year later with only a pair of trouser and one shirt he escaped with despite his Christian background, your case is even worse when you are known to be a Nigerian, he was full of thanks to God for sparing his life while he sojourned in the home country of Jesus Christ(PBOH).
Christian crusade was not executed by Muslims and that does not mean that Jesus Christ (PBOH) approved of such inhumanity to man, that shows the difference between Christianity as a religious belief and Christians.
What the world could have turned to can only be imagined if the various religions that originated from both Arab and Israel were to have started elsewhere in the world as none of these people would have had an iota of faith in God.
On the crises in northern Nigeria, it will be foolhardy for anyone to attribute it to any religion. The crises know no religious bound, some of the southern victims were Muslims, and if it is religious then Muslims from the south should have been spared. How many times have Muslims in the south take up arms against their Christian brothers if Islam preaches violence? You will even see Christians pasting their posters on the wall of mosques without any Muslim challenging them.
At this point of our existence, we should dwell more on factors that unite us more than the ones that tend to create division.
To all my Muslim brothers, we should accept criticism of Islam by non muslims as manifestation of Gods words in the Holy Quran.
They desire to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God seeks only to perfect His light. Quran 9.32
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS.
WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT.

A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW.

IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.

Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS.
WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT.

A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW.

IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
Mr Jimoh Lanre,

If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills.
So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW.

IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
Mr Lanre,
Thanks for sharing with us those messages. Although some of us might disagree with its context, you're free to express yourself. That's what this forum is partly for. I believe we're mostly adults and too matured to be brain-washed.

Also 'am sorry to have misunderstood you as per your UK residency. And thanks for the clarification. That is how mature members should behave. Thanks for that.

It's good you've encountered at least some degree of Islam by birth I guess. However, 'am not very sure your parents whom you mentioned that are still Muslim (at least your mum) has ever taught you to carry weapons, to behave like mutallab, to promote violence. According to you, your mum is still a Muslim and 'am not sure she has shown you that Islam doesn't means peace.

The fact remains that most families especially in the South West of Nigeria where I come from and where I guessed you also come from by the virtue of your name do have constituents of Islam and Christianity, and non has ever preached evil.

My mum came from a Christian family. My father of course was born into a Muslim family. Between two of them, my mum was the most active in terms of religion. So by virtue of that, she influenced us and we the children found ourselves going to church. CAC (Obadare), Ibadan .That was the Church we used to go.
My father being a field worker was never at home, and even when he comes he does not care much about religion. His own was to take us to the Recreation club in Ibadan. He plays golf and care less about teaching us religion. But I must commend, he is a very disciplined and straight forward man.

Today as I speak to you, my mum is a Muslim and even practised Islam better than my dad. That has not changed anything. Her uncles, brothers and sisters who are Christians, some are even pastors still relates well with her and we also relate well with them.

Also, I have another brother from different mum but same father who is now a Christian today . His mum is a Christian and he choose to go by that. Finally on this family things, I have a maternal Uncle who of course was born into a christian home but today he is muslim in fact an Alhaji. So we can go on and on.


So when people come up and start condemning one religion for the other, then is either then have had encounteres with religious extremists and confucionist or just decide to hate for not just reason.

If I narrate why my mum left Christianity then that might even degenerate into further arguement.
So people would continue to leave one religion for the other for the best reasons known to them.
But while all these happens, we should not allow that generate into chronic sentiments, hatred, killings and the rest.

I will still repeat, for all that have been following our comments so far on this topic, we are in such of solution to this religious crisis now. That is what I think people would be interested in rather than insulting ourselves. Enough of this insult for God sake. I mean, what has somebody done to you that you can't even soft pedal ? What example are you showing the kids who might me following all us with the use of abusive nomenclature like OLOSI ? It's very barbaric. This is the second time I would be witnessing this. Perhaps you don't know when you point one finger of good to others the remaining fingers points back at you. Likewise when your point a finger of curse at people, the remaining ones goes back to you.

Therefore, while we have the liberty to express how will feel on matters, let us do so in moderation.

May God have mercy on us all.



jimoh lanre said:
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
U RE NT ASHAME U RE WASTING UR ENERGY ON MOHAMED ND HIS IDEOLOGY OF MURDER. U COM HERE TO SAY WAT? CAN U ERASE LIFE HISTORY? DO U NO HW MOHAMMED KILLED ASMAA BINT MARWAN, IF U DNT READ MORE.HE TORE HER LIMB BY LIMB AND SKIN HER DEAD WHILE SHE WAS BREASTFEEDING,WEN HIS FOLLOWERS CAME THE SHOUTED' ALLAH ARBAK' YET PEOPLE COM HERE TO SAY WAT? I DNT BLAME THOSE RADICALS, I BLAME MOHAMED HE IS JUST A TERRORIST, WHO KNOWS NOTHING SPIRITUAL IF NT MARRYING MANY WIVES AND KILLING.

I'M NT A FOLLOW FOLLOW, I'M NO MORE A MUSLIM. IF THR IS NO ANOTHER REL, I PREFER BIN AN ATHEIST.

Kolade said:
Mr Lanre,
Thanks for sharing with us those messages. Although some of us might disagree with its context, you're free to express yourself. That's what this forum is partly for. I believe we're mostly adults and too matured to be brain-washed.

Also 'am sorry to have misunderstood you as per your UK residency. And thanks for the clarification. That is how mature members should behave. Thanks for that.

It's good you've encountered at least some degree of Islam by birth I guess. However, 'am not very sure your parents whom you mentioned that are still Muslim (at least your mum) has ever taught you to carry weapons, to behave like mutallab, to promote violence. According to you, your mum is still a Muslim and 'am not sure she has shown you that Islam doesn't means peace.

The fact remains that most families especially in the South West of Nigeria where I come from and where I guessed you also come from by the virtue of your name do have constituents of Islam and Christianity, and non has ever preached evil.

My mum came from a Christian family. My father of course was born into a Muslim family. Between two of them, my mum was the most active in terms of religion. So by virtue of that, she influenced us and we the children found ourselves going to church. CAC (Obadare), Ibadan .That was the Church we used to go.
My father being a field worker was never at home, and even when he comes he does not care much about religion. His own was to take us to the Recreation club in Ibadan. He plays golf and care less about teaching us religion. But I must commend, he is a very disciplined and straight forward man.

Today as I speak to you, my mum is a Muslim and even practised Islam better than my dad. That has not changed anything. Her uncles, brothers and sisters who are Christians, some are even pastors still relates well with her and we also relate well with them.

Also, I have another brother from different mum but same father who is now a Christian today . His mum is a Christian and he choose to go by that. Finally on this family things, I have a maternal Uncle who of course was born into a christian home but today he is muslim in fact an Alhaji. So we can go on and on.


So when people come up and start condemning one religion for the other, then is either then have had encounteres with religious extremists and confucionist or just decide to hate for not just reason.

If I narrate why my mum left Christianity then that might even degenerate into further arguement.
So people would continue to leave one religion for the other for the best reasons known to them.
But while all these happens, we should not allow that generate into chronic sentiments, hatred, killings and the rest.

I will still repeat, for all that have been following our comments so far on this topic, we are in such of solution to this religious crisis now. That is what I think people would be interested in rather than insulting ourselves. Enough of this insult for God sake. I mean, what has somebody done to you that you can't even soft pedal ? What example are you showing the kids who might me following all us with the use of abusive nomenclature like OLOSI ? It's very barbaric. This is the second time I would be witnessing this. Perhaps you don't know when you point one finger of good to others the remaining fingers points back at you. Likewise when your point a finger of curse at people, the remaining ones goes back to you.

Therefore, while we have the liberty to express how will feel on matters, let us do so in moderation.

May God have mercy on us all.



jimoh lanre said:
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
Wah oo.

This is getting too much.

Any way, what you said now doesn't sound like a solution to this religious crisis, rather it has a tendency to fuel it the more. I would have expected you to guide us on how we can put conflicts behind us and be partners in making this world be a better place to live at least to start with Nigeria where I believe most of us come from.

Secondly,I personal disagree with your purported view of the personality of Prophet Muhammad. Any way, that's not new as we've seen such propaganda in the past and perhaps more might still likely come.

Same thing happen to Prophet Moses. We read of what be fell such propagandist at the end. God knows best how to deal with the situation.

However, I will advice you to give us the reference to where Muhammad perpetrated the evil on ASMAA BINT MARWAN, so that all of us can go confirm what you've said. It's not just saying it like that. Help us more by providing us with the prove. By doing so you will be guiding us the more.

On his marital live. He was married only and only to his first wife for 25 years till death put them apart. It was during a very hard period when the pagans of Mecca dished hardship on him that his wife Khadijah died. His beloved uncle that was also on his side too died the same year. So for 25 years It was him and his wife Khadijah alone.
The question then arose how about the rest wives. As for Aisha, who was the youngest of them ; she only came into the scene only when Khadijah the beloved and first wife of his ( whom he lived with for 25 years passed on). In fact he couldn't stop praising Khadijah in the presence of others even after her death.
Somebody on this forum has shed light on Aisha when some body wrote again that Prophet Muhammad married a teenager . We can check our comments base for that.

And so, how did he married the rest? when you look through all these thing you see things clearer on his marital life. Clear proofs are there when you go through Islamic history on the marital life of the Prophet. History did clarified that most of his wives were old and widows who have lost their husbands to terror mounted on the Muslims by the pagans of Mecca at that time. I ask this question: Which young man today will like to choose as his wife an old woman? let's be sincere with ourselves.

As for the first propaganda as far as I am concerned , I will also try in finding the authencity behind this, perharps where it all emanated from. The history is there anyway. What ever my findings are I shall post it for all to see with references for them to go confirm.

I wan't to believe this forum is not about competition of points, faith or race. It's about saying things the way they are.
We might have different views on issues but lets put moderation in everything we say.

God knows best.








titalayo miwa said:
U RE NT ASHAME U RE WASTING UR ENERGY ON MOHAMED ND HIS IDEOLOGY OF MURDER. U COM HERE TO SAY WAT? CAN U ERASE LIFE HISTORY? DO U NO HW MOHAMMED KILLED ASMAA BINT MARWAN, IF U DNT READ MORE.HE TORE HER LIMB BY LIMB AND SKIN HER DEAD WHILE SHE WAS BREASTFEEDING,WEN HIS FOLLOWERS CAME THE SHOUTED' ALLAH ARBAK' YET PEOPLE COM HERE TO SAY WAT? I DNT BLAME THOSE RADICALS, I BLAME MOHAMED HE IS JUST A TERRORIST, WHO KNOWS NOTHING SPIRITUAL IF NT MARRYING MANY WIVES AND KILLING.

I'M NT A FOLLOW FOLLOW, I'M NO MORE A MUSLIM. IF THR IS NO ANOTHER REL, I PREFER BIN AN ATHEIST.

Kolade said:
Mr Lanre,
Thanks for sharing with us those messages. Although some of us might disagree with its context, you're free to express yourself. That's what this forum is partly for. I believe we're mostly adults and too matured to be brain-washed.

Also 'am sorry to have misunderstood you as per your UK residency. And thanks for the clarification. That is how mature members should behave. Thanks for that.

It's good you've encountered at least some degree of Islam by birth I guess. However, 'am not very sure your parents whom you mentioned that are still Muslim (at least your mum) has ever taught you to carry weapons, to behave like mutallab, to promote violence. According to you, your mum is still a Muslim and 'am not sure she has shown you that Islam doesn't means peace.

The fact remains that most families especially in the South West of Nigeria where I come from and where I guessed you also come from by the virtue of your name do have constituents of Islam and Christianity, and non has ever preached evil.

My mum came from a Christian family. My father of course was born into a Muslim family. Between two of them, my mum was the most active in terms of religion. So by virtue of that, she influenced us and we the children found ourselves going to church. CAC (Obadare), Ibadan .That was the Church we used to go.
My father being a field worker was never at home, and even when he comes he does not care much about religion. His own was to take us to the Recreation club in Ibadan. He plays golf and care less about teaching us religion. But I must commend, he is a very disciplined and straight forward man.

Today as I speak to you, my mum is a Muslim and even practised Islam better than my dad. That has not changed anything. Her uncles, brothers and sisters who are Christians, some are even pastors still relates well with her and we also relate well with them.

Also, I have another brother from different mum but same father who is now a Christian today . His mum is a Christian and he choose to go by that. Finally on this family things, I have a maternal Uncle who of course was born into a christian home but today he is muslim in fact an Alhaji. So we can go on and on.


So when people come up and start condemning one religion for the other, then is either then have had encounteres with religious extremists and confucionist or just decide to hate for not just reason.

If I narrate why my mum left Christianity then that might even degenerate into further arguement.
So people would continue to leave one religion for the other for the best reasons known to them.
But while all these happens, we should not allow that generate into chronic sentiments, hatred, killings and the rest.

I will still repeat, for all that have been following our comments so far on this topic, we are in such of solution to this religious crisis now. That is what I think people would be interested in rather than insulting ourselves. Enough of this insult for God sake. I mean, what has somebody done to you that you can't even soft pedal ? What example are you showing the kids who might me following all us with the use of abusive nomenclature like OLOSI ? It's very barbaric. This is the second time I would be witnessing this. Perhaps you don't know when you point one finger of good to others the remaining fingers points back at you. Likewise when your point a finger of curse at people, the remaining ones goes back to you.

Therefore, while we have the liberty to express how will feel on matters, let us do so in moderation.

May God have mercy on us all.



jimoh lanre said:
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
The story on the killing of Asma Bintu Marwa is one of the fabricated stories against the Holy Prophet and the religion of islam and the Muslim Ummah are uninimous in discribing it as false going by the source and chain of reports.

in kinz ul ummal this story is related under number 44131 and has been attributed to three people namely ibn asaker, ibn sad and ibn adiyy.
ibn adiyy is also the author of the book al-kamel and in that book, he has mentioned this incident and on the authority of jafar ibn ahmad ibn muhammad ibn as-sabah on authority of muhammad ibn ibrahim ash-shami on authority of muhammad ibn al-hajjaj al-lakhmi on authority of mujalid on authority of ash-shu’abi on authority of ibn ‘abbas, he has added the following:
this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of mujalid but by muhammad ibn al-hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse muhammad ibn al-hajjaj of forging it. (Al-Kamel Vol 6, pg. 145)
ibn al-gawzi in his book al-Ilal (Vol. 1, pg. 279) mentioned that this report was false. This report is also listed among other flawed reports.
so in conclusion this report is nothing but a fabricated lie and forgery which should be discarded.


In the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wa sallam) prohibits the killing of women in war. (note: in Islam a women can only be put to death if she commited murder as crime)

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children. (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No. 257 & 258).

Due to this prohibition, scholars of Abu Hanifah’s Madhab (school of thought) have stated that apostate women are not to be killed because the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) forbade the killing of women, and since the prohibition is general it includes apostate women. (Sharh Ad-Durr-el-Mukhtar, Volume 1, p. 483, 'Ainul Hidayah commentary of Al Hidayah Vol. 2 Pg. 585)


Even after the Prophet's demise, his Sunnah remain preserved by the Muslims:

Abu Bakr advised Yazid: "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camel except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." (Mutta Malik, Book 21, Section 3, Number 10).

The story is one those that his aim at discrediting the Holy Prophet and also mislead the muslims in general...



GOD KNOW BEST !



Kolade said:
Wah oo.

This is getting too much.

Any way, what you said now doesn't sound like a solution to this religious crisis, rather it has a tendency to fuel it the more. I would have expected you to guide us on how we can put conflicts behind us and be partners in making this world be a better place to live at least to start with Nigeria where I believe most of us come from.

Secondly,I personal disagree with your purported view of the personality of Prophet Muhammad. Any way, that's not new as we've seen such propaganda in the past and perhaps more might still likely come.

Same thing happen to Prophet Moses. We read of what be fell such propagandist at the end. God knows best how to deal with the situation.

However, I will advice you to give us the reference to where Muhammad perpetrated the evil on ASMAA BINT MARWAN, so that all of us can go confirm what you've said. It's not just saying it like that. Help us more by providing us with the prove. By doing so you will be guiding us the more.

On his marital live. He was married only and only to his first wife for 25 years till death put them apart. It was during a very hard period when the pagans of Mecca dished hardship on him that his wife Khadijah died. His beloved uncle that was also on his side too died the same year. So for 25 years It was him and his wife Khadijah alone.
The question then arose how about the rest wives. As for Aisha, who was the youngest of them ; she only came into the scene only when Khadijah the beloved and first wife of his ( whom he lived with for 25 years passed on). In fact he couldn't stop praising Khadijah in the presence of others even after her death.
Somebody on this forum has shed light on Aisha when some body wrote again that Prophet Muhammad married a teenager . We can check our comments base for that.

And so, how did he married the rest? when you look through all these thing you see things clearer on his marital life. Clear proofs are there when you go through Islamic history on the marital life of the Prophet. History did clarified that most of his wives were old and widows who have lost their husbands to terror mounted on the Muslims by the pagans of Mecca at that time. I ask this question: Which young man today will like to choose as his wife an old woman? let's be sincere with ourselves.

As for the first propaganda as far as I am concerned , I will also try in finding the authencity behind this, perharps where it all emanated from. The history is there anyway. What ever my findings are I shall post it for all to see with references for them to go confirm.

I wan't to believe this forum is not about competition of points, faith or race. It's about saying things the way they are.
We might have different views on issues but lets put moderation in everything we say.

God knows best.








titalayo miwa said:
U RE NT ASHAME U RE WASTING UR ENERGY ON MOHAMED ND HIS IDEOLOGY OF MURDER. U COM HERE TO SAY WAT? CAN U ERASE LIFE HISTORY? DO U NO HW MOHAMMED KILLED ASMAA BINT MARWAN, IF U DNT READ MORE.HE TORE HER LIMB BY LIMB AND SKIN HER DEAD WHILE SHE WAS BREASTFEEDING,WEN HIS FOLLOWERS CAME THE SHOUTED' ALLAH ARBAK' YET PEOPLE COM HERE TO SAY WAT? I DNT BLAME THOSE RADICALS, I BLAME MOHAMED HE IS JUST A TERRORIST, WHO KNOWS NOTHING SPIRITUAL IF NT MARRYING MANY WIVES AND KILLING.

I'M NT A FOLLOW FOLLOW, I'M NO MORE A MUSLIM. IF THR IS NO ANOTHER REL, I PREFER BIN AN ATHEIST.

Kolade said:
Mr Lanre,
Thanks for sharing with us those messages. Although some of us might disagree with its context, you're free to express yourself. That's what this forum is partly for. I believe we're mostly adults and too matured to be brain-washed.

Also 'am sorry to have misunderstood you as per your UK residency. And thanks for the clarification. That is how mature members should behave. Thanks for that.

It's good you've encountered at least some degree of Islam by birth I guess. However, 'am not very sure your parents whom you mentioned that are still Muslim (at least your mum) has ever taught you to carry weapons, to behave like mutallab, to promote violence. According to you, your mum is still a Muslim and 'am not sure she has shown you that Islam doesn't means peace.

The fact remains that most families especially in the South West of Nigeria where I come from and where I guessed you also come from by the virtue of your name do have constituents of Islam and Christianity, and non has ever preached evil.

My mum came from a Christian family. My father of course was born into a Muslim family. Between two of them, my mum was the most active in terms of religion. So by virtue of that, she influenced us and we the children found ourselves going to church. CAC (Obadare), Ibadan .That was the Church we used to go.
My father being a field worker was never at home, and even when he comes he does not care much about religion. His own was to take us to the Recreation club in Ibadan. He plays golf and care less about teaching us religion. But I must commend, he is a very disciplined and straight forward man.

Today as I speak to you, my mum is a Muslim and even practised Islam better than my dad. That has not changed anything. Her uncles, brothers and sisters who are Christians, some are even pastors still relates well with her and we also relate well with them.

Also, I have another brother from different mum but same father who is now a Christian today . His mum is a Christian and he choose to go by that. Finally on this family things, I have a maternal Uncle who of course was born into a christian home but today he is muslim in fact an Alhaji. So we can go on and on.


So when people come up and start condemning one religion for the other, then is either then have had encounteres with religious extremists and confucionist or just decide to hate for not just reason.

If I narrate why my mum left Christianity then that might even degenerate into further arguement.
So people would continue to leave one religion for the other for the best reasons known to them.
But while all these happens, we should not allow that generate into chronic sentiments, hatred, killings and the rest.

I will still repeat, for all that have been following our comments so far on this topic, we are in such of solution to this religious crisis now. That is what I think people would be interested in rather than insulting ourselves. Enough of this insult for God sake. I mean, what has somebody done to you that you can't even soft pedal ? What example are you showing the kids who might me following all us with the use of abusive nomenclature like OLOSI ? It's very barbaric. This is the second time I would be witnessing this. Perhaps you don't know when you point one finger of good to others the remaining fingers points back at you. Likewise when your point a finger of curse at people, the remaining ones goes back to you.

Therefore, while we have the liberty to express how will feel on matters, let us do so in moderation.

May God have mercy on us all.



jimoh lanre said:
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

seek and you shall find

I CAN BE CONTACTED ON THIS EMAIL: adeisit@yahoo.co.uk
Dear All,
I guess there is no need to provide you with the authencity of ASMAA BINT MARWAN'S death as earlier promised.

Ahmed just did and mine might just be like repetition.

Like I said this is just one of the numerous propaganda about the Prophets of God, not only Prophet Muhammad. Others have been lied on, So this is not new.
And for those who have fallen into the hands of the criminals wrongly labelled as Muslims , these false would quickly be accepted since it refelects the attitude of those criminals. We Muslims of today have alot of work to do in explaining to people the true picture of Islam with our examples. That is what the non Muslim see and it is by our character that Islam is accessed.


Lastly, to all of us,I guess we should weigh our write ups before posting them, and therefore choose where you want to belong, whether for unity and harmony of for chaos.

God knows best.



AHMED said:
The story on the killing of Asma Bintu Marwa is one of the fabricated stories against the Holy Prophet and the religion of islam and the Muslim Ummah are uninimous in discribing it as false going by the source and chain of reports.
in kinz ul ummal this story is related under number 44131 and has been attributed to three people namely ibn asaker, ibn sad and ibn adiyy. ibn adiyy is also the author of the book al-kamel and in that book, he has mentioned this incident and on the authority of jafar ibn ahmad ibn muhammad ibn as-sabah on authority of muhammad ibn ibrahim ash-shami on authority of muhammad ibn al-hajjaj al-lakhmi on authority of mujalid on authority of ash-shu’abi on authority of ibn ‘abbas, he has added the following:
this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of mujalid but by muhammad ibn al-hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse muhammad ibn al-hajjaj of forging it. (Al-Kamel Vol 6, pg. 145)
ibn al-gawzi in his book al-Ilal (Vol. 1, pg. 279) mentioned that this report was false. This report is also listed among other flawed reports.
so in conclusion this report is nothing but a fabricated lie and forgery which should be discarded.


In the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wa sallam) prohibits the killing of women in war. (note: in Islam a women can only be put to death if she commited murder as crime)

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children. (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No. 257 & 258).

Due to this prohibition, scholars of Abu Hanifah’s Madhab (school of thought) have stated that apostate women are not to be killed because the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) forbade the killing of women, and since the prohibition is general it includes apostate women. (Sharh Ad-Durr-el-Mukhtar, Volume 1, p. 483, 'Ainul Hidayah commentary of Al Hidayah Vol. 2 Pg. 585)


Even after the Prophet's demise, his Sunnah remain preserved by the Muslims:

Abu Bakr advised Yazid: "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camel except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly." (Mutta Malik, Book 21, Section 3, Number 10).

The story is one those that his aim at discrediting the Holy Prophet and also mislead the muslims in general...



GOD KNOW BEST !



Kolade said:
Wah oo.

This is getting too much.

Any way, what you said now doesn't sound like a solution to this religious crisis, rather it has a tendency to fuel it the more. I would have expected you to guide us on how we can put conflicts behind us and be partners in making this world be a better place to live at least to start with Nigeria where I believe most of us come from.

Secondly,I personal disagree with your purported view of the personality of Prophet Muhammad. Any way, that's not new as we've seen such propaganda in the past and perhaps more might still likely come.

Same thing happen to Prophet Moses. We read of what be fell such propagandist at the end. God knows best how to deal with the situation.

However, I will advice you to give us the reference to where Muhammad perpetrated the evil on ASMAA BINT MARWAN, so that all of us can go confirm what you've said. It's not just saying it like that. Help us more by providing us with the prove. By doing so you will be guiding us the more.

On his marital live. He was married only and only to his first wife for 25 years till death put them apart. It was during a very hard period when the pagans of Mecca dished hardship on him that his wife Khadijah died. His beloved uncle that was also on his side too died the same year. So for 25 years It was him and his wife Khadijah alone.
The question then arose how about the rest wives. As for Aisha, who was the youngest of them ; she only came into the scene only when Khadijah the beloved and first wife of his ( whom he lived with for 25 years passed on). In fact he couldn't stop praising Khadijah in the presence of others even after her death.
Somebody on this forum has shed light on Aisha when some body wrote again that Prophet Muhammad married a teenager . We can check our comments base for that.

And so, how did he married the rest? when you look through all these thing you see things clearer on his marital life. Clear proofs are there when you go through Islamic history on the marital life of the Prophet. History did clarified that most of his wives were old and widows who have lost their husbands to terror mounted on the Muslims by the pagans of Mecca at that time. I ask this question: Which young man today will like to choose as his wife an old woman? let's be sincere with ourselves.

As for the first propaganda as far as I am concerned , I will also try in finding the authencity behind this, perharps where it all emanated from. The history is there anyway. What ever my findings are I shall post it for all to see with references for them to go confirm.

I wan't to believe this forum is not about competition of points, faith or race. It's about saying things the way they are.
We might have different views on issues but lets put moderation in everything we say.

God knows best.








titalayo miwa said:
U RE NT ASHAME U RE WASTING UR ENERGY ON MOHAMED ND HIS IDEOLOGY OF MURDER. U COM HERE TO SAY WAT? CAN U ERASE LIFE HISTORY? DO U NO HW MOHAMMED KILLED ASMAA BINT MARWAN, IF U DNT READ MORE.HE TORE HER LIMB BY LIMB AND SKIN HER DEAD WHILE SHE WAS BREASTFEEDING,WEN HIS FOLLOWERS CAME THE SHOUTED' ALLAH ARBAK' YET PEOPLE COM HERE TO SAY WAT? I DNT BLAME THOSE RADICALS, I BLAME MOHAMED HE IS JUST A TERRORIST, WHO KNOWS NOTHING SPIRITUAL IF NT MARRYING MANY WIVES AND KILLING.

I'M NT A FOLLOW FOLLOW, I'M NO MORE A MUSLIM. IF THR IS NO ANOTHER REL, I PREFER BIN AN ATHEIST.

Kolade said:
Mr Lanre,
Thanks for sharing with us those messages. Although some of us might disagree with its context, you're free to express yourself. That's what this forum is partly for. I believe we're mostly adults and too matured to be brain-washed.

Also 'am sorry to have misunderstood you as per your UK residency. And thanks for the clarification. That is how mature members should behave. Thanks for that.

It's good you've encountered at least some degree of Islam by birth I guess. However, 'am not very sure your parents whom you mentioned that are still Muslim (at least your mum) has ever taught you to carry weapons, to behave like mutallab, to promote violence. According to you, your mum is still a Muslim and 'am not sure she has shown you that Islam doesn't means peace.

The fact remains that most families especially in the South West of Nigeria where I come from and where I guessed you also come from by the virtue of your name do have constituents of Islam and Christianity, and non has ever preached evil.

My mum came from a Christian family. My father of course was born into a Muslim family. Between two of them, my mum was the most active in terms of religion. So by virtue of that, she influenced us and we the children found ourselves going to church. CAC (Obadare), Ibadan .That was the Church we used to go.
My father being a field worker was never at home, and even when he comes he does not care much about religion. His own was to take us to the Recreation club in Ibadan. He plays golf and care less about teaching us religion. But I must commend, he is a very disciplined and straight forward man.

Today as I speak to you, my mum is a Muslim and even practised Islam better than my dad. That has not changed anything. Her uncles, brothers and sisters who are Christians, some are even pastors still relates well with her and we also relate well with them.

Also, I have another brother from different mum but same father who is now a Christian today . His mum is a Christian and he choose to go by that. Finally on this family things, I have a maternal Uncle who of course was born into a christian home but today he is muslim in fact an Alhaji. So we can go on and on.


So when people come up and start condemning one religion for the other, then is either then have had encounteres with religious extremists and confucionist or just decide to hate for not just reason.

If I narrate why my mum left Christianity then that might even degenerate into further arguement.
So people would continue to leave one religion for the other for the best reasons known to them.
But while all these happens, we should not allow that generate into chronic sentiments, hatred, killings and the rest.

I will still repeat, for all that have been following our comments so far on this topic, we are in such of solution to this religious crisis now. That is what I think people would be interested in rather than insulting ourselves. Enough of this insult for God sake. I mean, what has somebody done to you that you can't even soft pedal ? What example are you showing the kids who might me following all us with the use of abusive nomenclature like OLOSI ? It's very barbaric. This is the second time I would be witnessing this. Perhaps you don't know when you point one finger of good to others the remaining fingers points back at you. Likewise when your point a finger of curse at people, the remaining ones goes back to you.

Therefore, while we have the liberty to express how will feel on matters, let us do so in moderation.

May God have mercy on us all.



jimoh lanre said:
Mr. Kola, i will rather believe a fable story than to associate peace to islam. i am not in anyway showing off, that i am in uk, i made reference to uk that we too are victims of islamic dangerous tendencies like muttalab who set off from here to kill, and some of u that post comments here should stop posting ur dirty emails,this isnt ur workshops and what do u think will come out from ur explanation. i felt restraint ever since because i felt Mr frank & urself made a very laudable points, u dont want to leave it at that,one olosi is saying islam is beautiful, still they are those northerners who brought to our people this defamed name. i was a muslim, my mum is still a muslim but for me is not working, just a charade.i subscribe to this speech today by my beloved mentor:

"
Thank you. It is great to be back in London. And it is great that this time, I got to see more of this wonderful city than just the detention centre at Heathrow Airport.


Today I stand before you, in this extraordinary place. Indeed, this is a sacred place. This is, as Malcolm always says, the mother of all Parliaments, I am deeply humbled to have the opportunity to speak before you.


Thank you Lord Pearson and Lady Cox for your invitation and showing my film ‘Fitna’. Thank you my friends for inviting me.


I first have great news. Last Wednesday city council elections were held in the Netherlands. And for the first time my party, the Freedom Party, took part in these local elections. We participated in two cities. In Almere, one of the largest Dutch cities. And in The Hague, the third largest city; home of the government, the parliament and the queen. And, we did great! In one fell swoop my party became the largest party in Almere and the second largest party in The Hague. Great news for the Freedom Party and even better news for the people of these two beautiful cities.


And I have more good news. Two weeks ago the Dutch government collapsed. In June we will have parliamentary elections. And the future for the Freedom Party looks great. According to some polls we will become the largest party in the Netherlands. I want to be modest, but who knows, I might even be Prime Minister in a few months time!


Ladies and gentlemen, not far from here stands a statue of the greatest Prime Minister your country ever had. And I would like to quote him here today: “Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step (…) the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” These words are from none other than Winston Churchill wrote this in his book ‘The River War’ from 1899.

Churchill was right.


Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t have a problem and my party does not have a problem with Muslims as such. There are many moderate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens and want to live a peaceful life as you and I do. I know that. That is why I always make a clear distinction between the people, the Muslims, and the ideology, between Islam and Muslims. There are many moderate Muslims, but there is no such thing as a moderate Islam.


Islam strives for world domination. The Quran commands Muslims to exercise jihad. The Quran commands Muslims to establish shariah law. The Quran commands Muslims to impose Islam on the entire world.


As former Turkish Prime Minister Erbakan said: “The whole of Europe will become Islamic. We will conquer Rome”. End of quote.


Libyan dictator Gaddafi said: “There are tens of millions of Muslims in the European continent today and their number is on the increase. This is the clear indication that the European continent will be converted into Islam. Europe will one day soon be a Muslim continent”. End of quote. Indeed, for once in his life, Gaddafi was telling the truth. Because, remember: mass immigration and demographics is destiny!

Islam is merely not a religion, it is mainly a totalitarian ideology. Islam wants to dominate all aspects of life, from the cradle to the grave. Shariah law is a law that controls every detail of life in a Islamic society. From civic- and family law to criminal law. It determines how one should eat, dress and even use the toilet. Oppression of women is good, drinking alcohol is bad.


I believe that Islam is not compatible with our Western way of life. Islam is a threat to Western values. The equality of men and women, the equality of homosexuals and heterosexuals, the separation of church and state, freedom of speech, they are all under pressure because of islamization. Ladies and gentlemen: Islam and freedom, Islam and democracy are not compatible. It are opposite values.

No wonder that Winston Churchill called Adolf Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ “the new Quran of faith and war, turgid, verbose, shapeless, bur pregnant with its message”. As you know, Churchill made this comparison, between the Koran and Mein Kampf, in his book ‘The Second World War’, a master piece, for which, he received the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill’s comparison of the Quran and ‘Mein Kampf’ is absolutely spot on. The core of the Quran is the call to jihad. Jihad means a lot of things and is Arabic for battle. Kampf is German for battle. Jihad and kampf mean exactly the same.


Islam means submission, there cannot be any mistake about its goal. That’s a given. The question is whether we in Europe and you in Britain, with your glorious past, will submit or stand firm for your heritage.

We see Islam taking off in the West at an incredible pace. Europe is Islamizing rapidly. A lot of European cities have enormous Islamic concentrations. Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels and Berlin are just a few examples. In some parts of these cities, Islamic regulations are already being enforced. Women’s rights are being destroyed. Burqa’s, headscarves, polygamy, female genital mutilation, honour-killings. Women have to go to separate swimming-classes, don’t get a handshake. In many European cities there is already apartheid. Jews, in an increasing number, are leaving Europe.


As you undoubtedly all know, better then I do, also in your country the mass immigration and islamization has rapidly increased. This has put an enormous pressure on your British society. Look what is happening in for example Birmingham, Leeds, Bradford and here in London. British politicians who have forgotten about Winston Churchill have now taken the path of least resistance. They have given up. They have given in.


Last year, my party has requested the Dutch government to make a cost-benefit analysis of the mass immigration. But the government refused to give us an answer. Why? Because it is afraid of the truth. The signs are not good. A Dutch weekly magazine - Elsevier - calculated costs to exceed 200 billion Euros. Last year alone, they came with an amount of 13 billion Euros. More calculations have been made in Europe: According to the Danish national bank, every Danish immigrant from an Islamic country is costing the Danish state more than 300 thousand Euros. You see the same in Norway and France. The conclusion that can be drawn from this: Europe is getting more impoverished by the day. More impoverished thanks to mass immigration. More impoverished thanks to demographics. And the leftists are thrilled.


I don't know whether it is true, but in several British newspapers I read that Labour opened the door to mass immigration in a deliberate policy to change the social structures of the UK. Andrew Neather, a former government advisor and speech writer for Tony Blair and Jack Straw, said the aim of Labour’s immigration strategy was, and I quote, to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date”. If this is true, this is symptomatic of the Left.


Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The left is facilitating islamization. Leftists, liberals, are cheering for every new shariah bank being created, for every new shariah mortgage, for every new islamic school, for every new shariah court. Leftists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.

Why I ask myself, why have the Leftists and liberals stopped to fight for them? Once the Leftists stood on the barricades for women’s rights. But where are they today? Where are they in 2010? They are looking the other way. Because they are addicted to cultural relativism and dependent on the Muslim vote. They are dependent on mass-immigration.


Thank heavens Jacqui Smith isn’t in office anymore. It was a victory for free speech that a UK judge brushed aside her decision to refuse me entry to your country last year. I hope that the judges in my home country are at least as wise and will acquit me of all charges, later this year in the Netherlands.


Unfortunately, so far they have not done so well. For they do not want to hear the truth about Islam, nor are they interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. Last month in a preliminary session the Court refused fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses I had requested to be summoned.


Only three expert witnesses are allowed to be heard. Fortunately, my dear friend and heroic American psychiatrist dr. Wafa Sultan is one of them. But their testimony will be heard behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must not be told in public, the truth about Islam must remain secret.


Ladies and gentlemen, I’m being prosecuted for my political beliefs. We know political prosecution to exist in countries in the Middle East, like Iran and Saudi-Arabia, but never in Europe, never in the Netherlands.


I’m being prosecuted for comparing the Quran to ‘Mein Kampf’. Ridiculous. I wonder if Britain will ever put the beliefs of Winston Churchill on trial… Ladies and gentlemen, the political trial that is held against me has to stop.


But it is not all about me, not about Geert Wilders. Free speech is under attack. Let me give you a few other examples. As you perhaps know, one of my heroes, the Italian author Oriana Fallaci had to live in fear of extradition to Switzerland because of her anti-Islam book 'The Rage and the Pride'. The Dutch cartoonist Nekschot was arrested in his home in Amsterdam by 10 police men because of his anti-Islam drawings. Here in Britain, the American author Rachel Ehrenfeld was sued by a Saudi businessman for defamation. In the Netherlands Ayaan Hirsi Ali and in Australia two Christian pastors were sued. I could go on and on. Ladies and gentlemen, all throughout the West freedom loving people are facing this ongoing ‘legal jihad’. This is Islamic ‘lawfare’. And, ladies and gentlemen, not long ago the Danish cartoonist Westergaard was almost assassinated for his cartoons.


Ladies and gentlemen, we should defend the right to freedom of speech. With all our strength. With all our might. Free speech is the most important of our many liberties. Free speech is the cornerstone of our modern societies. Freedom of speech is the breath of our democracy, without freedom of speech our way of life our freedom will be gone.


I believe it is our obligation to preserve the inheritance of the brave young soldiers that stormed the beaches of Normandy. That liberated Europe from tyranny. These heroes cannot have died for nothing. It is our obligation to defend freedom of speech. As George Orwell said: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”.


Ladies and gentlemen, I believe in another policy, it is time for change. We must make haste. We can’t wait any longer. Time is running out. If I may quote one of my favourite American presidents: Ronald Reagan once said: “We need to act today, to preserve tomorrow”. That is why I propose the following measures, I only mention a few, in order to preserve our freedom:


First, we will have to defend freedom of speech. It is the most important of our liberties. In Europe and certainly in the Netherlands, we need something like the American First Amendment.


Second, we will have to end and get rid of cultural relativism. To the cultural relativists, the shariah socialists, I proudly say: Our Western culture is far superior to the Islamic culture. Don't be affraid to say it. You are not a racist when you say that our own culture is better.

Third, we will have to stop mass immigration from Islamic countries. Because more Islam means less freedom.


Fourth, we will have to expel criminal immigrants and, following denaturalisation, we will have to expel criminals with a dual nationality. And there are many of them in my country.


Fifth, we will have to forbid the construction of new mosques. There is enough Islam in Europe. Especially since Christians in Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia are mistreated, there should be a mosque building-stop in the West.


And last but not least, we will have to get rid of all those so-called leaders. I said it before: Fewer Chamberlains, more Churchills. Let's elect real leaders.


Ladies and gentlemen. To the previous generation, that of my parents, the word ‘London’ is synonymous with hope and freedom. When my country was occupied by the national-socialists the BBC offered a daily glimpse of hope in my country, in the darkness of Nazi tyranny. Millions of my fellow country men listened to it, underground. The words ‘This is London’ were a symbol for a better world coming soon.


What will be broadcasted forty years from now? Will it still be “This is London”? Or will it be “This is Londonistan”? Will it bring us hope? Or will it signal the values of Mecca and Medina? Will Britain offer submission or perseverance? Freedom or slavery? The choice is yours. And in the Netherlands the choice is ours.


Ladies and gentlemen, we will never apologize for being free. We will and should never give in. And, indeed, as one of your former leaders said: We will never surrender.


Freedom must prevail, and freedom will prevail.


Thank you very much. "


Kolade said:
This message is exclusive for Muslim brothers and Sisters living in the Uk. Others interested can equally explore this opportunity.

A programme titled: 17TH ANNUAL YOUTH CONFERENCE

will be held on the 14th March, 2010. (Waoo, That's my birth day.)

VENUE: ISLAMIC DAWA'H ACADEMY, 140 MELBOURNE ROAD, LEICESTER, LE2 ODS.

Check out the short message below from the organizers:

"Islam needs you to become its ambassador by being a good Muslim and, through your character and conduct,
help correct the misunderstandings that exist about Islam.
Become a shining example for all, Muslims and non-Muslims alike. "


For those outside UK, you can also benefit because the conference will also be streamed live from the organizer's website : www.idauk.org/ayc


let's raise the awareness. Let's stand up and condemn evil wherever it is perpetrated . Let's say No to violence and let's exemplify the peace that Islam means and let us stop the confusion. Let us live by the best conduct as taught by God through his guided prophets.

GOD KNOWS BEST



VENUE:

Kolade said:
Mr Jimoh Lanre,
If I can understand the stage we are now in this far-fetched discussion, it is time for solution. I can appreciate the likes of Mr Frank after expressing the unthinkable as perpetrated by some muslims, he put that aside and suggested his solutions to the religious crises especially as it affect us in Nigeria. Mr John Jang also did, Researcher and couple of others that are numerous to mention have also contributed in this respect. I think I have personally said something on this and perharps could form a team solution with the likes of Mr jang and others in the future if God wills. So I will suggest to you to please help us out with what you feel could be the solution to these religious crises and differences.

Also you don't have to mention where you are as I don't see how that will be relevant to this discussion. Whether UK or US or elsewhere. Some of us are also abroad and that does not guarantee that we see things better than people who have not been opportuned to travel or who feel it's not necessary. Besides, Technology has turned the world into to a global village such that people at home are even sometimes are more advanced on matters than those of us living abroad. On the contrary, if you feel that would be necessary and relative to the much awaited solution, then please go ahead and do so. I hope I am not misunderstood.

I want to believe time for insult, negative expressions has gone in this community of ours. It's time for positive action.
Please let's follow the likes of Mr Frank, after his expressions which of course were due to his experience so far, put that aside and said sometime constructive which could be useful when putting up together, points needed for solving the problem at hand.

For those of us that are Muslims, we owe ourselves the responsibility of doing what we say about Islam. For God sake, how could you expect non Muslims to believe Islam stand for peace when you find some Muslims involved in violent acts? I am not saying that other religion are completely free of violence, but since the emphasis is on Islam now, please be a good ambassador of it wherever you are. Non Muslim's interpretation of Islam is based on the practices of Muslims they have encountered. And so what do you expect them to say when such encounters are nothing to write home about?

May God Almighty forgive us our sins and have mercy on us.




jimoh lanre said:
researcher i dont no if that is a name or a career? pls we appreciate ur strenght that u ve wasted but permit me to say we dont need your email address except if u re selling or advertiser a product here, but if it were about islam and peace let us be, we know what peace means in islam...why is it that alot of u people post email, what are u afraid of?i am living here in uk we have all seen islam fake peace.
Researcher said:
WOW, I THINK NOW WE SHOULD HAVE MORE OF THE EDUCATIVE AND POSITIVE ATITUDE TO DISCUSSIONS LIKE I SEE IN MR FRANKS AND OTHERS COMMENT EXCEPT FOR SOME WHO WOULD STILL NOT ADAPT THIER GOOD NATURE IN DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING TO DO IS FIND A SOLUTION AND NOT FURTHER CREATE PROBLEMS. I IMAGINE IF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE HAD ON THIS FORUM HAD BEEN IN THE SOLUTION PERSPECTIVE THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF US NOT JUST SHARING VIEWS ON THE FORUM BUT CALLING OURSELVES AND LOOKING TOWARDS MEETING TO FURTHER GALVANISED OUR IDEAS. MANY OF US HAVE BEEN READING THE COMMENTS POSTED ON THIS FORUM BUT DECIDED TO KEEP COOL BECAUSE YOU WOULD WONDER IF ANYTHING YOU SAY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SOMEONE.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE NIGERIAN THING HAS EATEN DEEP INSIDE OF US. WE LOVE TO CONDEM AND BLAME RATHER THAN LOOK FOR SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS. WE MUST HAVE READ THE STORY OF THE FIVE BLIND MEN WHO SAW AN ELEPHANT AND EACH ONLY TOUCHED A DIFFERENT PART. THERE DISCRIPTION OF THE ELEPHANT WAS OF COURSE DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEAL WITH SOMETHING BIG AND ONLY HAD THE OPPURTUNITY TO RELATE WITH A PART OF IT. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE MUST BE MR FRANK AND OTHERS, I MUST SINCERELY APPRECIATE HIS CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU MUST HAVE HAD. WHEN SOMEONE SAID ISLAM IS BEAUTIFUL AND ANOTHER PERSON QUESTIONS THAT, YOU WOULD WONDER, DO YOU WANT HIM TO LIE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE OF ISLAM AND IF SOMEONE SAYS ISLAM IS BAD, THE QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE? I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS IGNORANCE. EVEN THOSE WHO SAY THEY KNOW DO NOT KNOW. IT IS EQUALLY WRONG FOR ANYBODY TO JUDGE A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE BY THE ACTIONS OF A FEW. A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IS HOW NIGERIANS WOULD ALWAYS CONTEST THE WAY WE ARE TREATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. OUR EXCUSE IS THAT YOU CAN NOT USE THE ACTIONS OF A FEW TO JUDGE THE REST OF US. BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO THOSE WHO ARE MUSLIMS.

THE ISSUE AT HAND IS VIOLENCE, NOTHING MORE, THAT IS THE CONCERN. HOW WE TAKLE IT MUST NOW BE THE OBJECTIVE. LET ME STATE CATEGORICALLY THAT MOST OF ALL THESE VIOLENCE DO NOT START BECAUSE OF ANY RELIGIOUS ISSUE THOUGH THEY MAY END UP WITH IT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU WANT TO GIVE, A DEEP STUDY WOULD REVEAL THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NOT RELIGIOUS.

A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS TO ALWAYS OBSERVE HOW THESE THINGS START, THE ORIGIN OF THE CRISIS. SOMETIMES NOT EVEN FEW DAYS TO THE TIME THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED. A POPULAR EXAMPLE IS THE PALESTINE ISSUE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS IS A CRISES THAT DATES BACK TO PERIOD BEFORE MANY OF US WERE BORN BUT WE ARE QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THE ISSUE NOW.

I MUST AGREE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH CRISES ACROSS MUSLIM LANDS. THE REAL PICTURE OF THE ISSUE WOULD BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY YOU IF YOU REMOVE THE RELIGION OF THE PEOPLE THEN FACE WHATEVER THE CRISES IS. ULTIMATELY YOU WILL DISCOVER THAT THERE IS MORE THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. I MUST SAY HERE THAT THE MEDIA HAD BROUGHT USE MORE PROBLEMS THAN SOLUTION.

ASK YOURSELF, HAVE YOU EVER READ AN HEADLINE ABOUT HOW A CRISES WAS SOLVED? WHAT YOU WILL ALWAYS READ IS THE CRISES THAT STARTED, WHY? IT IS BAD NEWS THAT SELL, SHIKENA. THE HOTTEST STORY IS THE BADDEST NEWS. WHAT A MEDIA WE HAVE.

THE OTHER FACTOR OF THESE CRISES IS THE POLITICAL ANGLE. WHEN THERE IS A VIOLENCE, IT IS TO SOMEBODIES ADVANTAGE. THE QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHOSE ADVANTAGE? THE WORLD HAS BECOME A GLOBAL VILLAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE POLITICS OF A PART AFFECTS THE OTHER, PARTICULARLY THE ISSUE OF MUTUAL INTEREST. ITS SIMPLY YOUR SIDE OF THE COIN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THESE POLITICAL ANGLES TO THESE CRISES TO HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE

I WOULD APPRECAITE IT IF MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WOULD RATHER ASK QUESTIONS ON THINGS THEY FIND SUPRISING OR CONFUSING OR WRONG BEFORE TAKING SUCH TO BE A FACT. I HAVE SEEN VERSES AND HADITH BEING INTERPRETED IN FUNY WAYS.
EVEN MUSLIMS HAVE SOMETIMES GOT IT WRONG AND NON MUSLIMS TURN THINGS UPSIDE DOWN. LEARING IN ISLAM IN A CLASS MEANS NOTHING, IN FACT YOU MIGHT LEARN THE TAIL AS THE HEAD.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED. THAT IS THE UTMOST SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES. SOME PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THEY HEARD THIS AND THAT FROM A SCHOLAR, LET ME TELL YOU, MOST SCHOLARS OUT THERE ARE MEDIOCRE.
ANOTHER CHALENGE TO EDUCATION IS WHEN YOU COME WITH YOUR CUP FULL, YOU NEED TO COME WITH YOUR CUP EMPTY. I ADVICE THAT YOU LEARN ISLAM NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE A MUSLIM BUT FOR YOU TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BELIEVE OF OVER A BILLION PEOPLE.

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